A Moral Dilemma

What will you do about Russian Germanium transistors and diodes?

  • Buy!

    Votes: 18 46.2%
  • Boycott!

    Votes: 7 17.9%
  • Hoard toilet paper!

    Votes: 14 35.9%

  • Total voters
    39
  • Poll closed .

Chuck D. Bones

Circuit Wizard
With the heightened tensions along the Russian - Ukranian border, I started wondering whether I should boycott Russian Germanium devices or buy up a bunch in anticipation of a supply chain disruption. Yes, I realize that the real issue is the potential human suffering. Please vote.
 
Must…..refrain… from … catalytic converter…..joke…..

I’m gonna go with boycott for a number of reasons.
#1 It’s In alignment with my cheapness
#2 I’m sitting on a small stock of crooked commie GE diodes and transistors that I already don’t use…(at least yet)
#3 I spent my monthly GE money on packing tape and cardboard boxes
#4 did I mention I’m cheap?
 
Honestly, I think the whole Russian/Ukranian thing has more to do with the Russian government and less to do with the Russian people. I would imagine most Russian citizens don't give a shit...that is except an older generation that would like Mother Russia to be revived in all it's glory. That said, I can't say that most Russian businesses would want to be a part of the whole Russian/Ukranian thing. After all, what next beyond that? If they succeed, will they consider taking Georgia too? Sounds more and more like a bad situation that most Russian citizens wouldn't really want to be a part of. Russia just isn't the same country anymore. There's really no advantage in taking over Ukraine.
 
I've had the same thought, but the tiny amount of money we'd be putting into the Russian economy would be unlikely to make a difference to Putin's plans. If you're bothered by it, there are other former Eastern Bloc countries to buy from.
 
I'm in agreement with the notion that we should be holding separate the Russian people and the Russian government.

GE Diodes and transistors....are all of these NOS? I don't really know. Either way, these represent parts of the Russian economy that are relatively small. The majority of their economy is based on extractive industries: mining and pumping materials for others to use. They have an enormous landmass to exploit.

This is part of the status quo that has been holding power in that country since the USSR collapsed...those that were able to claim ownership of the land out of which those extractives were mined were able to wield an outsized influence on their local economy. Those that had the right friends and, especially after Putin came into power, paid into the protection racket, got to hold onto their claims. The vast majority of Russian citizens are blameless; they're at the mercy of the oligarchs, and the oligarchs are at the mercy of a man who is likely the weathiest in the world, is KGB-trained in information warfare, absolutely despises the idea of unpredictable elections, and yearns for the good old days when the USSR was a force to be reckoned with.

I can't claim to have through and in-depth knowledge of the inner workings of the Russian government...I'm working off what has been reported in the news, but viewed through that lens Putin's actions make some kind of sense.

Not like "oh, now that seems reasonable" sense, but more along the lines of "oh, well it makes sense for a malicious narcissist to go down that path" sense.

Anywho...I don't really know if semiconductors have any real ties to the oligarchy in Russia. They're inexpensive enough that part of me wonders how much they would benefit from them...

But I think that there are other avenues that would hurt a bit more. Say, taking a look at the Magnitsky act, seeing if (read: where) there are loopholes that are being exploited. Cracking down on their money laundering schemes here in the US (although...to be fair...that would likely have a HUGE impact on the local economy in parts of the country. Are we as a people outraged enough to suffer some pain on behalf of Ukraine? I know what my answer would be, but politics are tricky and people are generally shit).

Sanctions on extractives will hurt both the oligarchs and the Russian people. Unfortunately sanctions have a history of being relatively ineffective as a tool in foreign policy...I don't imagine a semiconductor boycott would really do much of anything aside from being symbolic, but without more information I can't really say if the action would align with the symbol or...ah...act in dissonance with the symbol.

It's really, really, really, really complicated. Putin is a shitbag, but he's not a cartoonishly evil man. He's not a genius, but he isn't an idiot either. His KGB days taught him that if you deflect, lie, accuse your rivals of doing the thing that you are doing, and muddy the waters enough and with enough flare...you can keep the general public in a state of never really knowing what is true. With that kind of ethos, it's hard to 100% know what's going on over there and what will help or harm the correct parties.

That's all a lot of words to...I guess...amount to the shrug emoji? It would be nice if we knew of some way to individually exercise our disapproval. It's unfortunate that the only way we as individuals could potentially do so is through our wallets.
 
No comment. Well, technically, that is a comment, so I may as well dive in. Hmm, is the water cold? I hate cold water. I hate cold anything. Now I'm cold. Now I hate me. I hate this! Stupid poll! :eek:
 
I 100% agree there are a lot of good Russian people who are suffering at no fault of their own, and it's tragedy. However, speaking for myself, I can't in good conscience add any money to the Russian economy, and it goes waaaay beyond what's happening in Ukraine right now.

A few bucks spent on old electronic parts is totally inconsequential in the grand scheme of things and I don't think it's that big a deal if someone wants to buy some transistors. It's a personal choice. I fall on the side of 'why bother feeling guilty at all?' and just spend a few extra bucks on my conscience or just find some solution using silicon.
 
If I boycotted every government action I disagreed with I wouldn't be able to leave my house or eat. I can't even sanction my own own horrible government, let alone one on the other side of the world.

I understand that sentiment. Hell, I feel it a little bit myself.

Though I do worry that this line of thought kinda plays into the hands of somebody like Putin. The game he plays is to equivocate, to pretend that what he does is fine because hey look over there at that other thing. It's governing by nihilism, where nothing really means anything because everybody does bad shit, so that means that nobody has a right to judge anybody else.

I would argue that Putin's imperial ambitions cross a line, quite literally. But that doesn't change the fact that there isn't much that we as individuals can do.

I suppose we could write our representatives. I don't particularly have any idea as to what course of action should be pursued, though.
 
i commend the thought. it’s nice to see people thinking about more than their own little world. and it’s nice to see a civil discussion about the situation.

my 2 cents…. what russia is doing is bad. but nothing compared to the horrors china has committed in tibet or against the uighur people. so if you stay away from russian parts i think the same would apply to china. and if you can’t buy chinese parts you can’t do this whole hobby/business/whatever you classify it as.

just keep being a good person and keep remembering that your actions have consequences and the world will be a better place for it.

thanks for raising the issue and opening up the conversation.
 
i commend the thought. it’s nice to see people thinking about more than their own little world. and it’s nice to see a civil discussion about the situation.

my 2 cents…. what russia is doing is bad. but nothing compared to the horrors china has committed in tibet or against the uighur people. so if you stay away from russian parts i think the same would apply to china. and if you can’t buy chinese parts you can’t do this whole hobby/business/whatever you classify it as.

just keep being a good person and keep remembering that your actions have consequences and the world will be a better place for it.

thanks for raising the issue and opening up the conversation.
If Putin is allowed to take Ukraine, I fear China will soon move on Taiwan and economic sanctions are bullshit
 
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It's very concerning, as are many issues facing this planet and all the inhabitants because it has become such a small place that it takes very little action to cause such a massive stir, let alone what can result from something like the topic of the poll.
Positive actions don't always carry positive results, but they stand a much greater chance than the alternative and even the small ones have the same potential to start something huge!
 
No comment. Well, technically, that is a comment, so I may as well dive in. Hmm, is the water cold? I hate cold water. I hate cold anything. Now I'm cold. Now I hate me. I hate this! Stupid poll! :eek:
Do you hate cold beer too? It goes well with figs on a hot summer night with Yanni playing in the background.
 
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i commend the thought. it’s nice to see people thinking about more than their own little world. and it’s nice to see a civil discussion about the situation.

You're right. This conversation has been far too mature.

Anybody ever notice that Putin sounds like Pootin'?

You know, like, crop dusting. Barking spiders. Playing the sad trumpet.

...heh...inappropes.....
 
Buy them all and deprive those pesky Russians of the Germanium pedal building capacity! Once the fuzzes dry up, the army will stop fighting.

Either that, or source from the Ukraine.
 
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