Anybody else think it's a bit disingenuous to sell Spin FV-1 pedals without mentioning that it's a DSP?

bengarland

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(general question, not PedalPCB specific)

Does anybody else think it's a bit disingenuous to sell Spin FV-1 pedals without mentioning that it's a DSP?

I kinda do. And I don't have anything against DSP (I looooove my Eventide H9). But if it's digital, say so!

I was bit by this a couple years ago when Keeley released a "special" line of limited edition pedals (the "X" series). Back then I didn't know that nearly all of their pedals are Spin DSP so really the only difference is whatever algo they load onto the chip. So I believed the marketing hype that they developed this "special" series that were different / improved versions of some of their other pedals. For example, one of the pedals was a combination of Chorus, Flange, and Phaser but I don't think it was any different than the exact same algorithms that they use on their existing pedals -- they just put all 3 on one pedal, instead of having Chorus paired with Rotary and Vibrato or whatever.

Now it seems JHS has done the same thing with their new "3 Series". The promo video shows the internals for a split second and they look almost exactly like the inside of a Keeley pedal. Plus the config is 3 knobs + toggle which is a dead giveaway that it's Spin FV-1. But in the video they make NO mention that a DSP is what's actually inside. I think for a lot of people, the assumption is that pedals are analog unless they explicitly state that they're digital or a part of the pedal interface has digital controls (like a numerical LED display or a screen).

Is this being less than truthful by not explicitly stating out front that a pedal is digital?
 
I don't think so.

"Normal" human beings don't care what's inside their pedals. Some will see the word "germanium" in the description and they will feel it's a VERY special and elitist item to own...

I'm also a guy that don't buy vinyls anymore. You can throw away my opinion. ;)
 
Most folks that don't do electronics wouldn't probably know or bother what DSP or germanium etc is they hear it or hear about it, they try it, they like it, they buy it

If I'm spending a fair whack on anything I check it out regardless of hype before I part with my hard earned

I'd be more concerned if the person I bought it off didn't buy vinyl anymore I mean that's just not right is it? ;)
 
I think for anything that is Reverb/Delay/Chorus unless they explicitly state that it is Analog, I'm assuming that it is digital.

Maybe a little more transparency if effects are FV-1 (or similar DSP chip) based would be nice to know ahead of time, but I think I'd only be upset if someone said their pedal was "All-analog" and then turns out to be DSP
 
Especially since working at home with the current situation, I find myself listening to vinyl, cassettes, CDs, and mp3s. I also enjoy digital and analog effects. Can't we just all get along? ;) ?♥️

Edit: corrected after @Nostradoomus snarky remark.
 
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I only skipped around the video "In Depth Look at the NEW JHS 3 Series" on youtube, but noticed he says at around 21:15 "it's a digital reverb".

That said, I trust your take that he's not underscoring this point with each of the pedals in question.

I suspect it's not intentional as much as it is a perhaps unwarranted assumption on his part that we, the consumer, already have a good idea of what's what.
 
While I can understand the potential disappointment in knowing that a pedal is the exact same set of components as another pedal, just with different eeprom, I also recognize that coding takes time, effort, research, and tons of talent in its own right. So if a circuit sounds great, and just needs different eeprom, the effort that went into that is probably significantly more than most would recognize up front.
 
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