This Week on the Breadboard: Stereo Chorus

Chuck D. Bones

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This is my 2nd entry in Buddy's Circuit Design Contest. It's a stereo chorus based on a pair of PT2399s. The idea is a spin-off from the Stereo Digital Reverb project. You can think of it as a stereo version of the Sea Machine, minus three knobs, with a better LFO and all of the filters corrected.

Sheet 1 shows the two delay stages. They are identical except for the resistors that set the delay time. I wanted their delays and sweeps to be slightly different for a deeper stereo image. The delays on both are in the 44ms range. Kinda long for a chorus, but it works. There is some feedback around each delay for a more lavish tone. The delay times are modulated by two LFO signals.

Sheet 2 shows the buffers, mixers, LFO and power supply. U4B is the input buffer. It supplies the DRY signal to the two delays and the mixers. U4A & U4D are the output buffers. VR1A & VR1B form a dual mixer. At 7:00, the signal is 100% dry, at noon it's 50/50 and at 5:00 it's 100% wet for a pure vibrato effect. The PT2399s and the LFO all run on +5V. U6 generates the LFO waveform. Switch S2 selects between two waveforms: smooth triangle and random ramps. The smooth triangle is only available in the CB mod of the STOMPLFO. You can also run a stock STOMPLFO chip and change R60 to 12K so you get the regular triangle waveform, or 7.5K to get the sine waveform. Apart from the random ramps, the other waveforms are not too useful in a chorus. U5 buffers and inverts the LFO signal so that the two delays are driven by LFO signals that are mirror images of each other. In other words, while one delay is sweeping up, the other delay is sweeping down. R53-R55 & C44 scale and filter the LFO signal. The cutoff freq was set low to limit how fast the random ramps can sweep. The SPEED & DEPTH controls have more than enough range. One could hook up the TAP pin on U6 to a momentary stompswitch.

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Love me something stereo chorus just barely blended in at the end of a chain. Ala Gilmour with his use of the Yamaha RA-200s. Pretty sure he even blended CE-2s end of chain but can’t remember if went into the Yamahas with them.
 
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Whatever became of this circuit? Anyone build one? Seems like it could do a descent faux Leslie with the different speeds.

Could one simulate a Leslie by have one of the lines, higher having a high pass filter set to fast and the second line set with a low pass filter set to slow?

I’m thinking something similar to what Gilmour used. Doppolas or Yamaha RA200
 
The downside to using PT2399 delay for flanger or chorus is the min delay is a bit long.
FV-1 is a better solution. BBDs would also work.
What is the shortest delay time you’ve been reliably seen out of a PT2399? I know too low and they overheat or lockup.
 
I was thinking the PT2399 wasn’t quite quick enough for chorus or flanger. But saw that you did this project. Does almost have a pseudo slapback sound to the chorus? Wonder if a clean blend would help with that any. I wouldn’t want to be running something like this 100% wet.

The BBE Mind Bender is a great sounding analog chorus using bbds. But even though it manages to get a descent Leslie sound there too much of a boost when engaged as well as that pseudo slap back thing. Sounds like a mix between small clone and electric mistress to me but way more prominent when engaged.
 
If the wet side is loud enough to hear, then you are gonna hear the slap-back. No way around it if you use a PT2399 delay chip for chorus. My stereo chorus circuit above is an experiment. I don't plan on building any.

Have you tried the Tri-Vibe?
 
The Easy-Vibe is by John Hollis and is a UniVibe clone using opamps and LEDs in place of transistors and an incandescent lamp. Moen copied it for the Shaky Jimi. I have one, it works pretty well. Like the UniVibe, the Easy-Vibe is a 4-stage, stagger-tuned phase shifter. It makes two notches. LEDs respond faster than an incandescent lamp, so the Easy-Vibe's sweep is different from the UniVibe.

The ROG Tri-Vibe is a 2-stage, stagger-tuned phase shifter. It uses OTAs instead of LDRs & LEDs. It was primarily designed to make vibrato, but also has the "chorus" mode of the UniVibe. It makes one notch.

The two actually sound pretty similar.
 
The Easy-Vibe is by John Hollis and is a UniVibe clone using opamps and LEDs in place of transistors and an incandescent lamp. Moen copied it for the Shaky Jimi. I have one, it works pretty well. Like the UniVibe, the Easy-Vibe is a 4-stage, stagger-tuned phase shifter. It makes two notches. LEDs respond faster than an incandescent lamp, so the Easy-Vibe's sweep is different from the UniVibe.

The ROG Tri-Vibe is a 2-stage, stagger-tuned phase shifter. It uses OTAs instead of LDRs & LEDs. It was primarily designed to make vibrato, but also has the "chorus" mode of the UniVibe. It makes one notch.

The two actually sound pretty similar.
I also have a EZ Vibe. As for the seasick wobble we think of with a Vibe, it’s close, but the ElectroVibe is much closer.
What I did find the EZ vibe does better than some truer Vibes, is turn off the dry signal (vibrato mode), set for med depth and fast speed does one of the better “Leslie on high” simulations compared to some other vibes
 
@ChuckBackTooth Not sure why I was thinking Gagan did the ez vibe. I may end up getting one of the Moens eventually. Pretty hard to beat for the price. I’ve owned expensive vibes but can never justify keeping it for such a high price.

Never really cared for vibrato lol…it makes me disoriented or something. I’m referring to deep vibrato though.

I just got a good deal on one of the Alabs NovaDrift pedals to try the rotary. I did have the Flamma yellow mod pedals and the rotary was suprisingly good on it but it didn’t have analog dry through. The Alab has analog dry thru, true stereo, tap tempo or parameter “tweak” when using the switch as a momentary switch. I haven’t had enough time to give and honest review yet but so far the rotary’s pretty good. Keep in mind I mainly use Rotary end of chain and blended in ala Gilmour.

Haven’t tried any of the other effects. Has univibe, chorus, flanger, tri chorus, phase, rotary, tremolo, envelope filter and ring mod for some reason.
 
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