This Week on the Breadboard: Boss OD-3

Chuck, I just did your r38 mod (reduce 3k3 to 1k) on my OD-3. I’ve done (and undone) and handful of random mods to this pedal over the years, but nothing really hit home. Until now!

Such an absurdly simple mod, but solves what was for me a frustration with the OD-3: there was little to no dirty boost/edge of breakup available. I always wanted a lower drive setting than what was available. Now I have it!

Thanks again for the great analysis and simple r38 tweak!

Is this on the actual boss pedal or clone?
 
I blew the dust off of the breadboard and made a few more tweaks. This is (probably) the final version. I added a MID switch, a GAIN switch (good idea Jason!) and retuned the tone controls. The MID switch selects between the stock notch (left position), slight notch (middle) and deeper notch (right). It's subtle, but noticeable. Totally optional. The GAIN switch kicks Q5's gain up by about 9dB for a little more bite. Definitely noticeable. Totally optional. I wasn't satisfied with the tone controls, so I made some adjustments. With BASS at 3 (10:00), the TREBLE control mimics the Boss OD-3 TONE control pretty well, but it goes a little darker below 1 and quite a bit brighter from 8 on up. With Bass at 6 and TREBLE at 7.5, the response from Q5-D to the output is pretty flat. U1 can be any dual opamp. Q1 needs to have a high Vp. Q2 and Q3 should be matched (see notes) for best performance, but the circuit will work fine as long as the two are close. PF5102 is hard to find these days. Any high-gain JFET with a Vp below 2.5V, such as J113, will work for Q2, Q3 and Q5. D5 & D6 should be Si; Ge is too leaky.
This is a low-medium gain OD. It's not gonna sound like a DS-1, BD-2, FF, BB, TS, TB or BMP. Max output is over 5Vp-p. Input impedance is high, output impedance is low. Should work pretty well anywhere in the pedal chain.

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The Aion Helios is a Rat clone. The Heliodor is their OD-3 clone. The Heliodor is a faithful reproduction of the OD-3. Aion recommends the 2SK209-GR as a direct replacement for the 2SK184-GR. J201 may work also. As always, it's more about the specs than the part numbers so plan on screening whatever JFETs you decide to use.
 
In the Kanengomibako schematic you posted, it shows the power supply and switching circuits. In the power supply, are Q7, R30 and C26 a capacitance multiplier? I believe the BD-2 also employs a capacitance multiplier. I assume the idea is to reduce power supply ripple (moreso than the more typical single big electrolytic), at the cost of a voltage drop (and more components/board space). What are your thoughts on using cap multipliers in pedal power supplies?

Random thinking-out-loud idea... With the BD-2, I believe at least one person has re-implemented it using integrated opamps. Using that idea as inspiration for the OD-3: instead of using opamps, could one or more of the gain and/or clipping stages be replaced by a CMOS logic chip (e.g. cd4007)? I'm just thinking, I've generally enjoyed the overdriven CMOS sound (such as this great example ;)), and I like the OD-3. Could the marriage of these two ideas be an instant ear-gasm?!
 
Random thinking-out-loud idea... With the BD-2, I believe at least one person has re-implemented it using integrated opamps. Using that idea as inspiration for the OD-3: instead of using opamps, could one or more of the gain and/or clipping stages be replaced by a CMOS logic chip (e.g. cd4007)? I'm just thinking, I've generally enjoyed the overdriven CMOS sound (such as this great example ;)), and I like the OD-3. Could the marriage of these two ideas be an instant ear-gasm?!
Interesting idea. It could work. I have not tried putting diodes in the feedback loop of a CD4007 gain stage. The open-loop gain of a single CMOS stage is maybe 30dB (32x) on a good day. The discrete gain stage Q13, Q14 & Q11 (Kanangomibako sch) has considerable more open-loop gain and it is non-inverting. That means a single CMOS gain stage is not a drop-in replacement, but there are ways of accomplishing what you're suggesting.

In the power supply, are Q7, R30 and C26 a capacitance multiplier? I believe the BD-2 also employs a capacitance multiplier.
Yes, it is a crude form of C-multiplier. I've seen this in high-end audio tube amps.
I assume the idea is to reduce power supply ripple (moreso than the more typical single big electrolytic), at the cost of a voltage drop (and more components/board space). What are your thoughts on using cap multipliers in pedal power supplies?
The C-multiplier provides more filtering. Whether that extra filtering does any good is open to debate. There is a concept in engineering known as "good enough." Once a design meets the requirements (assuming one knows the requirements), further improvements provide diminishing returns and may in fact be detrimental. Increasing the parts count makes production more expensive and might reduce reliability. I do not use active power filtering in my pedal designs. Consider this: we don't want noisy DC power anywhere inside the enclosure. If we need all that extra filtering, the problem is with the power source and should be dealt with there.
 
I have not tried putting diodes in the feedback loop of a CD4007 gain stage.

As for diodes in the feedback loop of a CMOS stage: check out the RunOffGroove 22/7. They use a CD4049 to implement a Big Muff, with dioes in the feedback loop. I haven't built one of these, but hope to some day.

But in my idea, this is actually where I would deviate from the OD-3: omit the clipping diodes entirely, and obtain clipping from overdriving one or more CMOS gates. I'm not sure if that's even doable! But it sounds like a cool idea.


Consider this: we don't want noisy DC power anywhere inside the enclosure. If we need all that extra filtering, the problem is with the power source and should be dealt with there.

That's kind of what I was thinking. If I'm using a modern, high-quality, regulated + isolated power supply for my pedals, the DC should be pretty clean. Maybe not "audiophile clean", but certainly good enough for guitar pedals. I like overkill, but as you said, overkill can go too far and be detrimental.
 
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