FUZZ BOX (With Some Twists)

Cybercow

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And here I was thinking I was done with working out any new dirt circuits. Then, in an old stack of papers, I very recently found a printed article from a June '78 Popular Electronics magazine. (With no recollection of how it got there.) It caught my interest and I went down a rabbit hole. The initial allure is the oddball dual-rail supply voltages - +1.5V and -3.0V, resulting in a less than perfect VRef value.

First, I redrew it for study and started tweaking & modifying. Then I built it on a breadboard, applying more mods and improvements, for proper testing. (After all, analysis is not always spot-on.)

The article's use of an LM741 single opamp to drive a PNP germanium BJT got me thinking to try out an opamp with an even slower slew-rate that the 741's 0.5V/µs value. So I swapped it out for µA308 can with its 0.3V/µs slew-rate. And after sorting out squealing with an added compensation cap, other caps were added to investigate potential boosts and/or tone controls.

Turns out that the 741 exhibited a significant difference with a 22µF drain cap to ground at its output. Without the added cap, the 741 renders a rather sharp (trebly) texture to the guitar's attack transient. Adding a 22µF cap smooths out that attack.

The 308, however, lost a lot of volume & went full-on muffled with a similar cap addition. But by trying out some lower cap values, the 308 started to get interesting. Thru further experimentation, I discovered that using just a 4.7µF cap after C1K rheostat, the addition of the rheostat and lowered cap value created a nice "Attack Tone" control. At its minimum sweep, the C1K renders a nicely subdued attack tone while rotating towards its maximum sweep, the C1K delivers a sweet, trebly attack tone.

The PNP germanium BJT needs to be low-leakage device with a gain value between 50 & 150. Outside those parameters, the circuit gets forty, splarty & altogether naughty.

The sustain in either configuration (741 or 308) is a bonus.

In summary, this is a very flexible etymology with regard to supporting component values and tweaks. Next, I'll be swapping the 741 for a LT1490 with a slew-rate of only 0.06V/µs. And while the LT1490 is a dual opamp, it's easy enough to use just one of the channels and isolate the other.

Next, I want to generate a PCB in KiCAD or EasyEDA. But I suk at getting started with new designs in either. Anyone interested in an assist? I can modify an existing PCB layout, but I've still a LOT of reading to do to get starting one.

{EDIT}: Corrected schematic posted further down the thread. Got rid of the chargepump and regulators, going with a simpler resistor-based voltage divider with caps for a smaller parts-count.

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@Cybercow
Very cool and thanks for sharing
Wonder if you could flip the PNP to NPN and use a 78L06 as vref/virtual ground for the opamp to get a similar result. You wouldn't clip the opamp with a guitar signal but could use a dual opamp and add a gain stage to drive one rail of the non-inverting stage into clipping. Though I'm guessing there's not much clipping from the opamp gain stage as is?
 
@Cybercow
Very cool and thanks for sharing
Wonder if you could flip the PNP to NPN and use a 78L06 as vref/virtual ground for the opamp to get a similar result. You wouldn't clip the opamp with a guitar signal but could use a dual opamp and add a gain stage to drive one rail of the non-inverting stage into clipping. Though I'm guessing there's not much clipping from the opamp gain stage as is?
Dunno actually. I hadn't taken my explorations that far. Considering the opamp is operating in a comparator-like fashion, one might think changing the PS would alter things a bit. The existing, un-even PS is interesting. And finding a nice NPN germanium BJT with low leakage is difficult these days. Dunno if I'll find time soon to try that out. But I'v certainly added it to my notes. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
Dunno actually. I hadn't taken my explorations that far. Considering the opamp is operating in a comparator-like fashion, one might think changing the PS would alter things a bit. The existing, un-even PS is interesting. And finding a nice NPN germanium BJT with low leakage is difficult these days. Dunno if I'll find time soon to try that out. But I'v certainly added it to my notes. Thanks for the suggestion.
Thought process being
A 9v VCC with a vref)virtual geound of 6v would still be a 1:2 ration between top and bottom rail and ground.
But, not sure if a gain of 2 before the current gain stage would be needed for the same ratio to the rails.
I suppose you could maybe operate a PNP between the 6v and 9v rail. But you'd make 9v the ground for that stage, maintaining the -3v c to e.
Not trying to poopoo on your work, or critique it even. I just saw it and thought, hmm. 🤔 Could this be done without a charge pump?
Dad repeatedly told me to think before I speak as a kid. Only ever got as good as speaking while thinking.
Would take a few more decoupling caps but would drop the charge pump and one regulator. So probably 6-10 less parts, (without actually counting)?
Of course, 3x AA batteries could work too.
Would love to hear some caveman chords though it!
Thanks again for sharing.
 
Thought process being
A 9v VCC with a vref)virtual geound of 6v would still be a 1:2 ration between top and bottom rail and ground.
But, not sure if a gain of 2 before the current gain stage would be needed for the same ratio to the rails.
I suppose you could maybe operate a PNP between the 6v and 9v rail. But you'd make 9v the ground for that stage, maintaining the -3v c to e.
Not trying to poopoo on your work, or critique it even. I just saw it and thought, hmm. 🤔 Could this be done without a charge pump?
Dad repeatedly told me to think before I speak as a kid. Only ever got as good as speaking while thinking.
Would take a few more decoupling caps but would drop the charge pump and one regulator. So probably 6-10 less parts, (without actually counting)?
Of course, 3x AA batteries could work too.
Would love to hear some caveman chords though it!
Thanks again for sharing.
OK, I misunderstood your initial mention of 6V. I was thinking you meant that 6v would be the total rail difference. Bit I see what you mean now.

And I had no thought that you were poopoo-ing my work. I put it up for discussion and feedback. Parts reduction can't hurt if it doesn't alter the effect. I think it's worth putting up on the breadboard with your suggestions. Thanks!
 
Could this be done without a charge pump?
Most likely.
Dad repeatedly told me to think before I speak as a kid. Only ever got as good as speaking while thinking.
Same here.
Would take a few more decoupling caps but would drop the charge pump and one regulator. So probably 6-10 less parts, (without actually counting)?
Of course, 3x AA batteries could work too.
I reworked the schematic before adjusting my breadboard. (I'll get back to it tonight - lotsa stuff to do today.) But here's what I came up with . . . . (I know I need to clean up the BOM) . . . . [EDIT: BOM is now cleaned up.]

{EDIT}: I borked up the Ref to True Ground relationships (connections) so this is an updated schematic and should properly address a circuit with a virtual ground schema.

If anyone sees anything wrong, please speak up. Thanks!

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This reminds me of Craig Anderton's original comparator fuzz (Optimum Fuzz) from the 70's, but using the comparator to drive through a transistor for more distrtortion and maybe tone modification. I am curious what the offset Vref does - I am tempted to see what this does in SPICE model to understand that aspect.
 
This reminds me of Craig Anderton's original comparator fuzz (Optimum Fuzz) from the 70's, but using the comparator to drive through a transistor for more distrtortion and maybe tone modification. I am curious what the offset Vref does - I am tempted to see what this does in SPICE model to understand that aspect.
As a SPICE illiterate, I'd be interested to learn what SPICE has to say about it.
 
As a SPICE illiterate, I'd be interested to learn what SPICE has to say about it.
I am the worst-of-all kinds. I don't really understand SPICE in meaningful detail, but I know how to make KiCad run SPICE simulations for me. If it was integrated into KiCad, I wouldn't know what to do.
Possibly Garbage-In Garbage-Out.
 
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