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SOAB just realised TGP = the.gear.page lol. KK Ill try there, thanks,cheers.

Fair enough, thought I might get lucky and come across someone who might just mod things, another user mentioned TGP and when I figure out what that is, Ill go there and ask the same question I guess, thanks for the reply though eh, cheers.

that first picture with all the components numbers on it was from a DIY'er, so they have to have been thru-hole design at some point, but yea Im assuming they started that way and once orders started being to much for hand made they probably switched, I did notice though that the SMD board does...

Im looking to buy a Rat clone and cant quite decide between the dolamo d-11 because its super cheap, but have been leaning towards the little bear rt-2 because I saw pictures of the board and its all thru hole components and I figured Id just swap pieces and make it more like a traditional Rat...