NPD: Bootstrap HB90s

MichaelW

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I mentioned in the "What's in the Mailbox" thread that I received my Bootstrap HB90's yesterday.

Took just a little over 4 weeks since I ordered them so, the website's message of 4-ish weeks delivery time has been true for me both times I've ordered.
I still have a regular Bootstrap P90 that I have not put into anything yet as it wound up being an extra pickup with no current project for.

So this is my first experience with Bootstrap. I'd never heard of them until they were recommended by some folks here on the forum.
It's a one man shop, winding pickups in his garage. Ridiculously cheap for a US made, hand-wound pickup. (Like GFS-level prices).
Communication is non-existent. You send your PayPal, you get confirmation, then in a little over a month your pickups show up.
I'm not faulting him for this, he IS a one man shop busy winding very affordable pickups.

I have this one guitar, a Warmoth 7/8 sized Strat that I build over 30 years ago (and it shows hahah). It was my first attempt at building and finishing a guitar (and THAT shows too!) That guitar has worn a lot of different pickup configs over the years, as well as sitting fallow in pieces for probably decades in my closet before I decided to re-build it last year. It's a Warmoth soft maple body (Silverleaf as I recall) and a Birdseye maple neck. Really love the feel of the neck and there's something cool about a short scale F style guitar.

Anyway, what I originally intended to do was make this into a dual P90 guitar (Ala Valley Arts Larry Carlton Signature style).
But unfortunately, there's not enough room on the downsized body for regular P90's. So I had them route the custom pick guard with HB sized holes and I figured I'd just get some HB sized P90s. Well, that turned out to be easier said than done and started a bit of a quest for me to find the most P90-ish HB sized pickups.

There's a lot of folks out there making HB sized P90's, most of them claim that it sounds JUST LIKE A P90 but in HB format. Well, that's mostly BS.
A few of the winders will be honest and tell you that while their versions are "P90-ish" it's not exactly like a P90. (Lollar and Fralin).

Most of the pickups I've either auditioned or listened to just don't have that sweet top end of a P90 and the mid range growl. The closest I've come yet to a set of pickups I've been happy with in this guitar is ironically not the uber boutique guys but from GuitarFetish with their "Mean 90's". It's still not quite it but it's close.

This set of Bootstraps takes it even a little closer. I would say it is "incrementally" more authentically P90 sounding than the GFS pickups.

I was initially a little disappointed with them, as they have a bit of a harsh high end (like the GFS) but the more I'm playing them the more they are growing on me.
My next experiment is to re-wire the guitar with 300k pots, which I just ordered. I have 500k in there now with a .015 PIO tone cap)

If this doesn't quite nail it for me, I may just resign myself to the fact that you really can't quite replicate a P90 in a humbucker form factor. Something about the shape of the bobbins, width of the magnets, depth of the wind, all contribute to that P90 growl and honk and sweet top end that seems to be impossible to reproduce in an HB shape.

If the 300k pots doesn't work, my next great plan is to ditch the idea of P90's and get a Bluesbucker neck and Air Norton bridge and just go Humbucker. (The DiMarzio Bluesbucker claims to sound like a P90 hahahaha, it doesn't but it's an AWESOME sounding "single coil-ish" humbucker).

Cool, milled Corian covers.....
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No gut shots, you've all seen my guitar wiring in other posts....nothing new here......

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Update:
I just got some stuff in the mail.
I put a set of 300k CTS log taper pots in this guitar and it definitely helps.
The guitar sounds much better with a bit more hi pass filtered out.
Sticking with the .015 PIO tone cap for now.

It's still doesn't have that mid-range "honk" of a P90 but I just don't think I'm going to find that in any HB shaped pickup.

Oh also, I switched the wiring to 50's wiring. I've never tried 50's wiring with a blade switch before. But it actually works quite well.
Going to take a little getting used to on an F style guitar but this whole guitar is a bit of a hybrid Frankenstein to begin with!

Edit: The 300k pots replaced a set of CTS TAOT 525k pots.
 
Wow. I've read this thread... a few times, but it keeps drawing me back, hoping to find more nuggets of info on P-90s.

I'm delighted the GFS sounds pretty good, even if not authentic P-90, 'cause that's where my budget lies.

Also interested in your thoughts on 300k pots; I couldn't decide what to get for some lipstick pups, so I split the difference between Gibby and Leo and got 300k — I've no clue about guitars. For example, what's "TAOT"?

Diggin' this guitar of yours, with P-90s, killer pickguard and two knobs. Any time I've tried to strum a Strat I smack my knuckles on the volume, so I'm thinking I'll just go with tone and volume shuffled to the lower spots on my Squier's pickguard. The Squier is a complete wreck at the moment. Neglected for nearly a decade? My how time flies.
 
TAOT = The Art of Tone. It's a retailer that has custom spec pots made by CTS. The 525k ones are 10% tolerance and will generally get you to a real 500k. Most 500k pots range from 440-480 when you actually measure them. They also sell lots of cool little tidbits for guitars.

 
Regarding this guitar. Warmoth doesn't make it anymore. They make some "similar" called their "Warhead" or something.
It looks almost identical to mine but it's slightly different.

The original intent to was to make a DIY version of the Valley Arts guitars of the 80's. Valley Arts was the shizznitz for studio musicians back then.
Then Gibson bought Valley Arts and as Gibson likes to do, they sued Warmoth. So Warmoth had to stop making those bodies and make some changes. Then Gibson spins off the Valley Arts brand to Samick, completely de-values the whole brand and line and it's disappeared off the scene.

Typical school yard bully BS, "if I can't have it you can't have it but now that I have it I'm just gonna break it."

I really really really hate Gibson sometimes..."Play Authentic" my ass........now they're at it again suing Dean guitars over their Flying V and suing Heritage guitars over their Les Paul and ES335. The Heritage Guitars situation is even MORE douchebag of Gibson because they MADE AN AGREEMENT when they moved to Nashville that the ex-Gibson Kalamazoo folks could stay and operate as a new company with some of the old tooling in the old factory. Then they RENEGED on the agreement because Heritage is putting out better instruments.....sigh. In both cases trying to re-litigate the lawsuit they lost against PRS when they sued them.

One big and major reason I have a tough time forking over cash for a Gibson, no matter how badly I want one.
Not sure I'm doing a whole lot better supporting Ephiphone but it's a lot less cash heh.
 
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