Separating Audio & Power Path

jdduffield

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I realize this is a noob question, but I’m trying to understand something about the audio signal path vs the power signal path. I’ve always thought (before I got into this stuff) that the audio and power path are joined at some point within a circuit. Now I’m not so sure.

Things I’ve noticed is that the reasons we introduce 9 volts into a circuit is because of either a chip, a transistor, an op amp, or something that we are powering. Often that is done to boost a signal up. In other words, a passive pedal can attenuate a signal, turning it down, but it can never make the signal louder without power.

I understand that what comes out of our guitar under normal circumstances is a very quiet signal. The sound waves created by our strumming are converted into an electrical signal through the process of vibrations being detected by the pickup’s magnetic field. At that point we have electrical sine waves to work with that are are quiet but can be sent through the cable, and they enter the circuit which become the beginning of the “audio path”.

The positive 9 volts enters the circuit at some other point on the board and becomes the beginning of the “power path”.

I’ve heard that we are to keep those paths separate. My question is do we ever bring those two paths together? Is it more like we just use it to power things that lift the signal in some other way (transistors, op amps, etc)? I notice we typically power one of the legs of those devices. Do those things handle mixing the two paths together for us? (I imagine if they do it would be very surgical, small amounts of voltage.) Or is there something I’m missing, like something having to do with current or something else?
 
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Not sure that i fully understand the question. I'll answer the parts I do understand what you're saying/asking.

Things I’ve noticed is that the reasons we introduce 9 volts into a circuit is because of either a chip, a transistor, an op amp, or something that we are powering. Often that is done to boost a signal up. In other words, a passive pedal can attenuate a signal, turning it down, but it can never make the signal louder without power.
Correct

I understand that what comes out of our guitar under normal circumstances is a very quiet signal. The sound waves created by our strumming are converted into an electrical signal through the process of vibrations being detected by the pickup’s magnetic field. At that point we have electrical sine waves to work with that are are quiet but can be sent through the cable, and they enter the circuit which become the beginning of the “audio path”.
Mostly correct. What you call a sine wave is true for a single, clear note (frequency). Mixing notes (different miltiple frequencies) becomes a signal. More of a technicality than being incorrect. Also the path is the physical wiring, the signal is the actual electrical waves that travel on the path.

The audio path starts at the pickups. The audio signal is at a very low level at this point. As this signal goes through various active (powered) electronics it is amplified.

The positive 9 volts enters the circuit at some other point on the circuit and becomes the begging of the “power path”.
The 9 vdc is simply power for the active electronics, similar to the way wall voltage is power to a vacuum cleaner or television. Yes this needs to be separate from the audio signal path just as wall voltage needs to be kept separate from the audio signal.

Hope this helps, if not let me know.

Edit: Grammer
 
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Here's something that helped me:

Think of the Audio as AC, alternating current.
Pedal power is mostly DC, direct current.

Capacitors pass alternating current, but block DC. That's how signal can pass from a 9v-battery-powered pedal to a wall-wart-powered pedal that's getting 24v (DC, converted by the wall-wart from the 115v or 220v AC), and on to another pedal at 15v etc — all without releasing the magic smoke.

In a way, the audio and power paths do co-mingle, a look at a basic schematic will show you power entering a transistor via its Collector and simultaneously the audio passing out of the same collector ... Beavis explains it better than I could, see "C" on the transistor below (I've highlighted the signal path, power hitting that path at R1 & R3):

LPB-1 Beavis analysis.png


You don't need to read schematics to build pedals, but boyo-boyo it sure as sheep-dip helps!

 
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In a way, the audio and power paths do co-mingle,
Absolutely correct, but they interact with each other  internal to the pedal, amp etc... externally they should be kept seperated. This is an important point I did not think to include before, I am glad it has been brought up.

To clarify I am only talking about simple guitar-pedal-amp signal cable and power wire interconnection. I am not familiar with complicated audio interconnection a professional sound engineer would use so will not attempt to comment on that.
 
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