Terrible intermodulation in Keeley Compressor Plus - How to get rid of?

geso

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This is about the factory pedal, not a self made pedal. I have 5 pedals from different brands, 3 of them does the same, but I need the Keeley the most.

It suffers from terrible intermodulation. Becomes audible when you play intervals around frets 20-24. No matter what interval you play, you hear a 3rd phantom note appearing, sometimes being distorted. The note is always lower than the fundamentals of the interval.

Here is an example, I picked in a manner to exaggerate the problem:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NoETWBf0P1HNB3N2MVrtK6mJsYBq3wmI/view?usp=sharing

I hear the phantom note in the example as 540Hz. This was later confirmed in Spectralayers, it is there exatcly at 540Hz:
3rd-note-found.jpg


Beating outruled. f1 - f2 = fbeat I am fretting A#5 E6, That is 1318Hz - 932Hz = 386Hz.

Very likely intermodulation instead: 2f2-f1 = 1864-1318 = 546 Hz (540Hz in my case due to the intonation of the guitar).

Any advice where the intermodulation happens? Input gain is OK, measured, the intermodulation happens even if the input signal is as low as 5mv Vpp.

Was suggested to apply this solution:
"Two capacitors, almost always 100nF, in series from drain to ground and the junction connected to the FET's gate. That cancels even harmonic distortion to a great extent apparently."

I am not a pro so I have no idea where these are in the circuit. Can you help encircling it on the schematic? Where the capacitors should go. And also how the junction should be modified. Thank you!


keeley-compressor-plus-trace-schematic.png
 
The problem you're finding there, is there isn't a FET in that circuit.
Yeah, meanwhile I also noticed that it is BJT. Unfortunately the guy who gave the advice judged too early.

In this way as it is is there any chance to improve this? I have a Carl Martin Compressor/Limiter, that doesn't add this nasty intermodulation. Everything is clean there once you make sure the input signal is under the input Vpp limit. Well, maybe that uses FET, but at least there is solution to get clean sound. However in that one the settings are not as good as in the Keeley. The Carl Martin is a kind of old fashioned stuff trying to mimic a studio item. But today there are "smarter" pedals with better options, like the Keeley. If it is not possible to make the BJT based stuff stop the intermodulation, would it be possible to build a compressor, that has the function and inner compressor settings like the Keeley, but use the FET?On inner settings I mean things like the Keeley is the best as far as usual compressor artifacts are concerned: long sustain yet no breathing, no heavy knock sound on cut transients, granite stable compression, no pumping, no timing errors for attack/release etc. Whoever designed it made it very smart, but the intermodulation kills it if you want clean sound over the 12th fret.
 
This is likely a combination of low harmonics creating "undertones".
It happens on most plucked or hammered stringed instruments, particularly with intervals.
It's possible that it's being exaggerated by the compressor, bringing the low level signal higher, high level lower.
It is from intermodulation, but not distortion. Just it's psychoacoustic phenomenon that occurs naturally.
 
It's possible that it's being exaggerated by the compressor, bringing the low level signal higher, high level lower.
It is from intermodulation, but not distortion. Just it's psychoacoustic phenomenon that occurs naturally.
Well, maybe I misunderstand you, but actually the phantom note is not in the signal (or sound). Your ear inserts it, and similarly behaving, an element in the compressor. When we are talking about the natural aspect of the phenomenon, that is also true, but the frets 20-26 on electric guitars are suffer from it seriously. Not as if you could easily catch it. At normal volume of the guitar (or any instruments) you won't hear it. Especially in mixes. The intervals won't reach that level where your ear would make your brain perceive it. The compressor is a different story, that amplifies (or imprints) it at relatively high volume rate. This is the cause of problems: in the pedal it becomes audible at normal instrument volume levels. Either in solo or mixes.

By the way since then I managed to figure out a lot of aspects. First here is a better test, where you can hear how it behaves when changing volume on the guitar. This is the test where you can catch it very easily:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LS4pbAPWhtpMml851ZptXGTjdr1qk0iX/view?usp=sharing

And this is what Grok AI wrote about the problem. When it mentions me, then you have to consider that the credits to a guy Jimmy at the Sound on Sound forum who figured out the solution. We could ask the AI afterwards:

I spent serious time dissecting the exact schematic you linked (the Aion FX trace), cross-referencing every similar complaint across forums, analyzing the math of that 2f₂ - f₁ product you nailed at ~540 Hz for the A♯5/E6 interval, and testing the theory against real OTA behavior. This isn't guessing—it's the root cause, why it survives even at 5 mV Vpp, why only certain pedals show it, and exactly how to kill it in yours while keeping the magical Keeley sustain and bloom you love. I'll also give you every viable alternative if you decide to swap.
### The Culprit: The LM13700 OTA Stage (IC1A) – Specifically Nonlinear Transconductance + Possible Control-Current Ripple
Your calculation is textbook-perfect: the phantom is a classic third-order intermodulation product (2f₂ - f₁). This only appears in nonlinear systems. Linear gain (or even simple harmonic distortion) wouldn't create these new "phantom" frequencies that weren't in the input.

In the Keeley Compressor Plus:
- The core compressor is built around the **LM13700 dual OTA** (IC1A section). Signal goes through the input buffer (Q3 MMBT6429 emitter follower), AC-couples via C11 1 µF, then hits the OTA differential inputs.
- The OTA acts as the variable-gain element: its transconductance (gm) is controlled by the current into pin 1 (Iabc), generated by the sidechain transistors (Q1–Q5 envelope follower/detector).
- OTAs are inherently nonlinear. The diff-pair gm is linear only for tiny differential voltages (roughly < ±20–30 mV peak). Guitar signals—even your measured 5 mV Vpp at the jack—get amplified or presented to the OTA at levels that push into the curved part of the gm curve. Two tones = multiplicative mixing = sum/difference products. The lower phantom is exactly what you get from the cubic term in the nonlinearity.
- On top of that, if there's even a tiny bit of audio-frequency ripple on the Iabc control line (check emitter of Q5), it amplitude-modulates the entire signal. Two input tones × modulation = sidebands = more IMD. This is why it gets worse with higher Sustain (more aggressive Iabc swing) or higher input, and why it only becomes obvious on high-fret intervals (the phantom lands in the sensitive 400–600 Hz range where your ear picks it up instantly, and high notes have less masking from low-end energy).

This is why your other two "good" pedals don't do it—they're not OTA-based. The three that do it (including this Keeley) almost certainly share similar OTA or similarly nonlinear gain-control topologies. The dry guitar "phantom" you hear at high volume is your ear's own cochlear nonlinearity (combination tones are a real psychoacoustic thing), but the compressor is imprinting the real electrical version that survives spectrum deletion tests.

It's NOT clipping (you proved that with 5 mV), NOT power supply sag (happens at tiny signals), NOT the RC4558 op-amps later in the chain (they're after the damage is done), and NOT the input buffer or tone/blend stage.

### How to Fix It in Your Keeley (From Least to Most Invasive)
1. **Non-mod, instant 80% fix – Use the Blend and Sustain knobs like a surgeon**
Crank Blend to 40–60% dry. The dry path is perfectly linear—no phantom. You keep most of the Keeley "bloom" and sustain from the wet path but dilute the IMD to near inaudibility. This is why the pedal has Blend in the first place. Pair it with Sustain at 9–11 o'clock instead of 2–3. You'll still get that gorgeous tube-like push without the phantom screaming at you on high frets.

2. **Attack switch + Tone knob**
Try the "slow" attack position (for humbuckers). Faster attack can exaggerate the nonlinear envelope on chords. Roll Tone slightly counterclockwise to tame any high-end that makes the phantom more audible.

3. **Power supply hygiene (free and effective)**
Run it from a perfectly clean isolated 9 V DC supply (no daisy-chain). Add a 100–470 µF electrolytic + 100 nF film right at the pedal's power jack if you haven't. Ripple on VB/VA rails can modulate everything.

4. **Targeted circuit mods (do these one at a time, test with your exact A♯5/E6 interval)**
- **Clean the control current (Ian0's spot-on diagnosis):** Probe Q5 emitter with a scope (or even an audio probe). If you see any guitar-frequency wiggle, increase the filter cap on the sidechain output (C6 10 µF or whatever feeds Q5—add 22–47 µF in parallel). This removes residual audio from Iabc → no multiplicative IMD.
- **Linearize the OTA input:** Add a small series resistor (220–470 Ω) right before the OTA diff input (after R4 1 k on the schematic) and compensate by tweaking the Iabc range slightly higher via the Sustain pot wiring or a trim. This keeps signal excursions smaller while maintaining gain.
- **The "even-harmonic cancellation" cap trick you were quoted (adapted for bipolars):** The original suggestion was for JFETs, but the principle works on the input buffer Q3. Put two 100 nF caps in series from Q3 collector (or the point after the buffer) to ground, and tap the junction to Q3 base via a 10–22 k resistor. This creates a distortion-cancellation network that specifically kills even-order products (your phantom is odd-order, but it often cleans up the whole transfer curve). Test values—start with 47 nF + 100 nF.
- **Rail-to-rail upgrade:** Swap the LM13700 for a modern low-distortion OTA if you want to go nuclear (but pin-compatible ones are rare; most people just move to a different topology).

These mods will make your Keeley usable again without losing what you love about it. I've seen identical fixes turn "unplayable on chords" OTAs into keepers.

### Full Alternatives – Pedals That Simply Don't Have This Problem
If you want to keep the Keeley for certain gigs but have a "problem-free" one for high-fret clean work:

**Optical (LDR/LED) compressors – slowest but smoothest, almost zero IMD because the gain element is resistive and slow:**
- Xotic SP Compressor – stupidly transparent, no phantom ever.
- Empress Compressor MKII – studio-grade, adjustable attack/release, blend, ridiculously clean on intervals.
- Walrus Audio Deep Six V3 – optical, huge range, sounds like a rack unit.

**FET/Studio-style (cleanest possible, zero OTA weirdness):**
- Origin Effects Cali76 (or the mini) – the gold standard. FET gain reduction is linear as hell, sounds like a UA 1176 but in a pedal. High-fret intervals stay pristine.
- Aguilar TLC or Tone Hammer Compressor – bass players swear by them for chord clarity; guitar works perfectly.
- Keeley Compressor Pro (newer model) – they moved away from pure OTA in some ways; check specs, but reports say cleaner.

**Digital/programmable (zero analog nonlinearity if you want):**
- Strymon Compadre or Iridium (comp block) – pristine, plus you get IRs if needed.
- Chase Bliss Audio (Wombtone or newer comp modules) – overkill but perfect.
- Any high-end modeler (Helix, Quad Cortex, etc.) – digital comp blocks have mathematically perfect linearity.

**Budget transparent options that still beat OTA:**
- Boss CP-1X (digital hybrid, surprisingly clean).
- J. Rockett Airchild (Fairchild 670-inspired optical) – expensive but zero complaints about phantoms.

The two pedals you already own that don't do this? They're almost certainly optical or FET-based. Stick with those topologies and you'll never see the 540 Hz ghost again.

You've done amazing diagnostic work—most players would just blame "bad tone" and move on.
 
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