What to do first

Burrie

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Hello Everybody at Pedal PCB,

So I have been playing Bass for 40 years and have never been happy with the pedals they offer. So I would like to build my own and was wondering if I could get people here to chime in on something. I was thinking what is the best way to get started? Buy some used pedals ( Rat 2 and Little big muff Ect) and modify them to work better for bass or buy a kit and components and build from the ground up? Also I am from BC Canada and looking for suggestions on getting kits/ components from the USA or else where. Thanks for taking your time and Looking forward to your answers/help. Some background, I worked in Automotive for years , lots of wiring, reading schematics and soldering experience.
 
A lot of options here! A lot of us started by modding what we had of course and that is certainly a great place to start

If you can swing it and are interested in trying out the hobby, I would start with a kit for a pedal you think is what you want. Put it together. And then mod that. The reason I say this is because it gets you the single box/package to your house, and you can figure out when/how you want to go through the journey. Breadboarding a circuit and modding it from there is fantastic but definitely intimidating vs a kit. Getting a PCB, then sourcing parts, forgetting something, making another additional order, getting a huge capacitor that doesnt fit because you chose the wrong specifications, then making another additional order, etc all can be frustrating for a first timer as well (although we all go through it and learn from it).

Here are some rat kits:

If you have enough hobbies, and really just want the cheapest solution to your sound, then I would suggest a different route, but based on your wording, I think its worth trying a kit!
 
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I started with kits and recommend this

Lots more, these are some I started with
 
Get a couple kits to start out with so you can get a feel for how they go together. The ones from AionFX are nice since they have very detailed instructions and are put thoughtfully put together.

I made a Bootlegger (JHS Moonshine) on here for a bass player recently and he loves it. It's like a Tube Screamer with a clean blend so you can retain the clean low end while still getting some grind to come thru in the mids. I'd pick up a couple boards here after following along with a few kits. Just try to enjoy it.
 
Think of some pedals/fx you do like/want, find a pcb or kit vendor, ask in this forum about modding the circuit to more of what you want.

Easiest pedals to build and mod IMO are boosts/overdrive/fuzz. Maybe build a Bass preamp?

You will not save $ building pedals, for me it's a fun hobby.


Vendors/Part suppliers I use:

Dasmusikding - Germany - kits for a lot of pcb vendors, some parts
PedalPCB - US - pcb's - parts
AionFX - US - kits, pcb's, some parts
Fuzzdog - UK? - kits and pcb's
Tayda - Thailand - Parts - enclosures /drilling/powdercoat/uv printing
- has a shipping option for all duties paid - for Canada it's about $22USD
Digikey - Parts - $8 fedex shipping in canada, free shipping over $100
Mouser - US - parts
NextGen Guitars - Canada - parts for pedals/amps/guitars
Smallbear - US - parts and some kits
Madbean - US - pcb's
LectrcFX - US - pcb's
Stompboxparts - US - parts
Retroamplis - Spain - parts
DeadendFX - Canada - pcb's for rareish stuff
Parasit Studio - Sweden? - pcb's of original glitchy fun fx -
Electric Druid - UK? - pcb's
Moonn - Germany? - pcb's fun fx
SheepyLove - Germany? - pcb's - faceplates
GuitarPCB - US - pcb's

Pcbguitarmania - I avoid their pcb's.
 
Hello Everybody at Pedal PCB,

So I have been playing Bass for 40 years and have never been happy with the pedals they offer. So I would like to build my own and was wondering if I could get people here to chime in on something. I was thinking what is the best way to get started? Buy some used pedals ( Rat 2 and Little big muff Ect) and modify them to work better for bass or buy a kit and components and build from the ground up? Also I am from BC Canada and looking for suggestions on getting kits/ components from the USA or else where. Thanks for taking your time and Looking forward to your answers/help. Some background, I worked in Automotive for years , lots of wiring, reading schematics and soldering experience.
I play bass too, i built a dozen of bass overdrive kits, they're all great.

But the best i ever built is the BassDude frome Conspiracy to Commit Electronics.
Probably the ultimate Bass overdrive circuit if you enjoy tube distortion. Based on the Fender Bassman amplifier, it has something warmer and smoother than the other overdrive circuits, really impressive.
You will have to be cautious during the build process though, because some parts of the circuit are working at high voltages to feed these tubes.

But it also depends on the kind of music you want to play, i guess.

An other legendary circuit for bass is the Obsidius (Darkglass BK3). It has some kind of cold and precise sound and a unique flavor.

If you want to focus on your bass amplifier sound, i guess you'll need a circuit that doesnt color your sound too much, like the Boss ODB-3.
There is the N.E.W. Bass Overdrive kit that can do this job. An ODB-3 variant from God City Instruments.

A compressor for bass and a limiter can also be useful to shape your sound.
I can recommend the PS-020 Bass Exciter / Compressor from guyatone and Broughton Audio Low + High Pass Filter.
Both are available as kits.

But remember : if you start building circuits, after a year or two there is a good chance that you end up spending more time building new circuits than playing music with your instrument. It's so satisfying to build a new stompbox that many people shift their interest from playing music to building new circuits.

You've been warned...
 
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My first was a wooly mammoth. It's inexpensive, an easy build, and doesn't suck out the low end. It's also super gated and pretty far down my bass fuzz tier list now that I've gone full Pokémon and built them all. I would say that when I think of bass friendly circuits that are good for a beginner I immediately think of the Frantone stuff, Cream Pie and Persica projects from PPCB and the Lofran from Moonn electronics.

Once you get going (see: full blown addict) and feel ready for non beginner projects here's a short list of things that I think are "must builds" for bass players listed in the order of difficulty:

Moonn Big Bass Bro
PPCB Curds and Whey
PPCB Referee (all the Broughton stuff honestly)
Madbean Junk Trunk/Gas Tank combo
PPCB Kliché (Chuck D Bones bass mods)
PPCB Gnat (built as an Elka Dizzy Tone)
Lectric Fx Soy Sauce
Parasit Studio Arcadiator
PPCB Ocelot
PPCB VIIB
Electric Druid Filter fx
C2CE Lab Rat (the only Rat I still own)
C2CE Nobelium
 
BASS! The Final Fun Tier.

There are a lot of us bass-playing-effects-fanatics here, the more the merrier — WELCOME/BIENVENUE BURRIE!
Quite a few Canucks here, too.

I knew from my start in the hobby that I was going to go full-send, so I bought PCBs and parts and went through all the teething that entails — such as ordering 600v caps by mistake (used 'em in an amp eventually); I bring this up because like you, I wasn't happy with a lot of the commercial pedals I was getting — they sucked the low-end life out of my DB.

SO... I'm gonna suggest you either ...

  1. buy parts and PCBs, or
  2. buy parts and kits.


If you buy kits such as a Rat or Muff clone, they may not meet your expectations without some bass-tweakage; and to do that you'll need parts that are NOT included in the kit — sure, build that Russian Muff clone, but... a couple minor tweaks and it's also a Jumbo Tone Bender at the flip of a switch!

For your first build, I'll suggest a BAZZ FUSS, it's only a half-dozen parts but sounds great. Easy trouble-shooting, too (yes, I know you're experienced with wiring cars etc... speaking of which, an aside, I may hit you up for some wiring advice with my '66 Windsor). Nonetheless BazzFuss is a great fun little circuit and worth building at least once at some point in your DIY-journey.

RAT-a-tat-tat, goes the Raven on your door, saying "Treble nevermore..."
Highly recommend Gord Tranter's bass mods for your RAT build, he's a fellow Maple Bud from down east, ON, IIRC. I added one version of his bass mods (and some clipping options) to my Filigree Siberian Hamster build, and my DB sounds great through it.


If you search this forum, you'll find lots of good bass-specific info on the usual treble-some suspects and lots of suggestions for some off-piste plunging-of-depths type circuits.



The MusikDing kits are launched from Germany to your door, and the Moody Sounds kits hail from Sweden — so be prepared for expen$ive $hipping and the possibility of the courier-de-quoi charging you "brokerage fees" (I always aim for good ol' postal delivery, Canada Post won't screw you over even if you have to pay some duties or GST/PST. BTW, the limit Canadians have for receiving beyond-border goods w/o having to pay duty is CAD150. I've yet to determine if that's before or after shipping-costs are added, as I always play it safe and try to keep my orders under CAD150 gross expenditure.

Canadian-based Axe and Ye Shall Receive used to have BYOC kits, but BYOC recently shut down. Maybe check there to see if they're offering other kits in lieu of BYOC.


Parts Sourcing outside the USual sUSpects...
TAYDA: reliable, a good source shipping out of Thailand
TEMU: China-based — do your homework, check reviews. I've got very good Davies-style knobs, but I know crappy ones are out there, too.
NEXTGENGUITARS: Canadian-based, so you'll pay a bit more, but no hassles with importation fees etc so you may break even depending...
SOLO GUITARS: Another Ontario dealio, has some pedal odds and ends and bass-guitar parts/kits.

USual suspects
MOUSER: big gun, easy to get lost or order the incorrect part, but they have a Canadian Website, pay in C$
DIGIKEY: big gun, homework here, too. as can be overpriced on some things but can be a worthwhile resource too (Great resistor-code calc)
StompBoxParts
Love My Switches

Augh Brain Freeze, there's more but I imagine others will fill in the gaps in my ... what was I saying?


Yes, tell us more about your musical tastes! You're interested in a Rat & Muff so ... what about a really great OD?
Check out Chuck D Bones' amalgamation of bass-incantations for the highly-venerated possibly overrated Klon Centaur — post bass-modding, it's definitely not overrated or so I've read from the other Bass-brethren and Bass-sistren. Ah, I see Mentaltossflycoon has already mentioned it... Okay. So Bass-modded DOD250/Dist+. Bass-modded YATS... oh, and if your tastes lean to aggressive and offbeat, check out Parasit Studios offerings... ooohh so much to rec...


Okay, I'll shut up now.

Cheers,
FF
 
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