Grover Drive great after guitar, but .. not after buffered pedals

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Ramandolo

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Hi,
I've two Grovers builded, they sound fantastic, quite as good as my Butler Tube Driver.
But, unlike my TD, the Grover sounds thin after buffered pedals.
I've tried to connect it in the loop of a Boss LS-2 Line Selector: idem, not usable.

I known that EJ uses his Fuzz Faces after a Tube Screamer (on or off ).
I've tried too, I still had thin sounds with Grover (idem with Fuzz F).

There is probably something I don't understand.
Must I put a little buffer in the Grover ?
Any ideas ?
Thanks
 
Einzeln said:
Dover is a fuzzface into a zen, so you need to put it first I think
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Thanks.
Yes, I know, but I need to place my Grover after delay as shown on EJ's board.
(I want to replace my Butler TD by my Grover)

Furthermore, Fuzz Face's don't sound good after Tube Screamer (on or off), even though EJ plays he's FF that way after Tube S. :unsure:
 

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You might want to try the MOSFET driver instead for what you’re trying to do. I suppose it’s possible to add a pick up simulator to the front end of the Grover, but that’s beyond my know-how.
 
Laundryroom David said:
You might want to try the MOSFET driver instead for what you’re trying to do. I suppose it’s possible to add a pick up simulator to the front end of the Grover, but that’s beyond my know-how.
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Thanks David.
Yes, I was thinking to give a try of Mosfet Driver on my breadboard.
I have the orignal TD-X from Steve Painter's Buffalo Fx (think Cattle drive), nice pedal, but to me, it's far away from my Tube Driver.
The Grover is very sweet (with bias at minimun) for that EJ violin sound.
 
pickup sim on the input of the grover?

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like Yeah! said:
pickup sim on the input of the grover?

Guitar Pickups Simulation

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Pickup simulator kit

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Never heard about this :unsure:. Thanks !!
I 'll try with an old pickup as tranny .
 
Ramandolo said:
Here's the exact schematic I've reproduced (y):

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that's crazy that the real pick up works.. it's not microphonic?
smallbear's got these https://smallbear-electronics.mybigcommerce.com/transformer-for-tycho-octavia/
i'm wondering how that tran would sound in front of a sandspur or a foxx fuzz
 
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like Yeah! said:
that's crazy that the real pick up works.. it's not microphonic?
smallbear's got these https://smallbear-electronics.mybigcommerce.com/transformer-for-tycho-octavia/
i'm wondering how that tran would sound in front of a sandspur or a foxx fuzz
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Yes, that's crazy. The real pickup (it's a strat Squier's one) is really almost .. perfect !
Very little hum when engaged, but it's humming when less than 50 cm of the amp (like a guitar ..).
The 10K pot has not a lot of incidence on resulting sound. :unsure:
I will perhaps fine tune the 330pF cap, but that starting value work fine.

My test is: Strat-Grover1-Boss GE7(all faders at middle 0)-Pickup Sim( 3PDT)-Grover2 -Tweed Super (set crunchy).
I start with Grover1 on, all others pedals off, it's the classic violin EJ tone.
Grover2 on, all others pedals off, sounds horribly harsch. But, engaging the PickSim on, then I find again the violin tone (even better..).(y)
The Boss GE7 (buffered) status (on or off) has then no effect on Grover2 sound.
Fuzzes not tested (but, Grover like Dover is a fuzz in a Zendrive).
 
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