Fuzz curious High gain prog guy looking for something new

Bricksnbeatles said:
Interesting. I was always under the impression that the Foxey Lady was the exact same revision as the Triangle muff, just packaged under a different name since Mike Matthews was having the pedals manufactured for Guild and EHX wasn't created yet, but looking at the BOM for the Muffin fuzz, the component values are drastically different between the Fox and the Triangle variants. That looks great btw! I'm planning to build a few fripp-inspired pedals soon, but I think yours is a bit less embarrasing (to Fripp) than the graphics for mine.
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I should ask Robert next August but we got a 1974 interview where he said:

The best fuzz-box to use is a Burn's Buzz-around which they discontinued making in England about six years ago. I have two of them, but they're not at the moment attached to my pedal board. The more pedals you go through, the longer leads you need, and in turn the less volume you get. You lose gain along the way. To lessen that, the wah-wah and the fuzz are on the knock-off circuit. In other words, when I'm playing, all the time I'm going through the volume, but when I'm using either fuzz or wah-wah, I knock a different pedal which brings in a different circuit for the fuzz and the wah-wah. When I'm not using them I press a button and knock them out of the circuit so that the circuit shortens, and I keep up my gain. I also use a Watkins Kopy Kat echo unit. It's all right, but it's not particularly good. It suffices for what I want, which is not really a lot of echo effects but just a slight edge, because the sound on stage is very dead in a lot of halls I play in. It really doesn't matter what kind of fuzz box you use. It has more to do with the state of mind.

But if somebody wanted to obtain the same sound you got, wouldn't it be important to know what type of fuzz you were using?

No. I can get that same sound with every kind of fuzz box I've ever used. It's not a question of equipment.

SOURCE: https://www.elephant-talk.com/wiki/Interview_with_Robert_Fripp_in_Guitar_Player_(1974)
 
Coda said:
From what I have read, the early Mike Matthews Foxxey Lady fuzzes (1969) were the same as the Axis fuzz pedals. Before that I think they were Mosrite Fuzz-Rites. Around the same time he came up with the Triangle Muff. By 1971-71, the Guild pedals were Re-branded Triangle Muffs. However, with all the different versions of the triangle muff, it’s really hard to tell in general, let alone which one Fripp had...
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The early foxey lady fuzzes were subcontracted to mosrite by guild, and were just fuzzrites— those were just two-knob pedals though. Due to dissatisfaction with mosrite, Guild ended their contract and partnered with Mike Matthews, who pitched them the then-unnamed big muff circuit, and they began producing them under the same Foxey Lady name. Some time after that, Mike started Electro Harmonix and started having additional units made by the manufacturer, and had them branded as the EHX axis fuzz. These were identical to the foxey lady fuzzes being made at the time because they were literally made the same, side by side, with the only difference being the printing on the box, and the fact that Mike was selling them under his own brand instead of selling them on contract to guild. At some point the axis fuzz’s branding was changed to the Big Muff (the triangle being the v1). The thing is… we know for sure that the Foxey lady was identical to (some version of) the axis fuzz, and (some version of) the axis fuzz was identical to the v1 triangle muff— while it’s been widely said that the Triangle Muff is identical to the Foxey Lady, if the component values listed on the PedalPCB muffin document are accurate to their relevant counterparts, then there must have been some major revision to the circuit at some point in the timeframe of the axis fuzz’s production. I’ve never seen anything about that in my research, but I’m sure the info is out there *somewhere*— time to revisit the Kitrae muff page!
 
Dali said:
I should ask Robert next August but we got a 1974 interview where he said:

The best fuzz-box to use is a Burn's Buzz-around which they discontinued making in England about six years ago. I have two of them, but they're not at the moment attached to my pedal board. The more pedals you go through, the longer leads you need, and in turn the less volume you get. You lose gain along the way. To lessen that, the wah-wah and the fuzz are on the knock-off circuit. In other words, when I'm playing, all the time I'm going through the volume, but when I'm using either fuzz or wah-wah, I knock a different pedal which brings in a different circuit for the fuzz and the wah-wah. When I'm not using them I press a button and knock them out of the circuit so that the circuit shortens, and I keep up my gain. I also use a Watkins Kopy Kat echo unit. It's all right, but it's not particularly good. It suffices for what I want, which is not really a lot of echo effects but just a slight edge, because the sound on stage is very dead in a lot of halls I play in. It really doesn't matter what kind of fuzz box you use. It has more to do with the state of mind.

But if somebody wanted to obtain the same sound you got, wouldn't it be important to know what type of fuzz you were using?

No. I can get that same sound with every kind of fuzz box I've ever used. It's not a question of equipment.

SOURCE: https://www.elephant-talk.com/wiki/Interview_with_Robert_Fripp_in_Guitar_Player_(1974)
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Ask him next august? I’m guessing that means you signed up for the upcoming Guitar Craft course? Im hoping to sign up for that— it was way out of my means back when it was originally announced for December of 2020, but ever since it’s been rescheduled to 2022 it seems a bit more attainable. Glen Cove is only about 40 minutes East of me (Stony Brook/Setauket area), so I really have no excuse *not* to do it
 
1) BazzFuss
2) Shinei/Univox SuperFuzz Variant
3) Elka Dizzy Tone variant
Not necessarily in that order.

This is a three Fuzz per day thread, right?
Back tomorrow with another 3 awesome fuzzes...
 
Bricksnbeatles said:
The early foxey lady fuzzes were subcontracted to mosrite by guild, and were just fuzzrites— those were just two-knob pedals though. Due to dissatisfaction with mosrite, Guild ended their contract and partnered with Mike Matthews, who pitched them the then-unnamed big muff circuit, and they began producing them under the same Foxey Lady name. Some time after that, Mike started Electro Harmonix and started having additional units made by the manufacturer, and had them branded as the EHX axis fuzz. These were identical to the foxey lady fuzzes being made at the time because they were literally made the same, side by side, with the only difference being the printing on the box, and the fact that Mike was selling them under his own brand instead of selling them on contract to guild. At some point the axis fuzz’s branding was changed to the Big Muff (the triangle being the v1). The thing is… we know for sure that the Foxey lady was identical to (some version of) the axis fuzz, and (some version of) the axis fuzz was identical to the v1 triangle muff— while it’s been widely said that the Triangle Muff is identical to the Foxey Lady, if the component values listed on the PedalPCB muffin document are accurate to their relevant counterparts, then there must have been some major revision to the circuit at some point in the timeframe of the axis fuzz’s production. I’ve never seen anything about that in my research, but I’m sure the info is out there *somewhere*— time to revisit the Kitrae muff page!
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My reading of Kit Rae is that once the Foxey Lady went to 3 knobs, it was identical to the Triangle Muff. However, I also recall hearing that there were 15 or 20 different variants of the Triangle Muff...and it was only made for 2 or 3 years!
 
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Paradox916 said:
Are you just breadboarding it?
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The plan is from breadboard to soldered. We'll see....😁
Coda said:
I tried that as my first breadboard attempt. I failed miserably...
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I've fried some stuff, had some success, "accidental discoveries", and learned a bit along the way so it is definitely a good path for me. I've a LOT to learn ahead to reach my goals. All of you.are assisting me through your own experiences, and I hope I contribute in some way as well (beyond my razor wit I mean).
 
The first thing to do, I think, is come up with a good name.

Maybe.

Just call it What You Want.

Maybe this build will come when you call it...

😸
 
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Fuzzes I like:
BJFe Pink Purple Fuzz - PedalPCB Fuchsia
Skreddy Screw Driver - PedalPCB Aldrin w/ cb mods
BJFe Emerald Green Distortion Machine
Mojito
Biggus Dickus
Maestro FZ-1
BJFe Folk Fuzz Deluxe
Quarantine Special Edition (cb mod)
Catalinbread Dirty Little Secret Mk 3 - PedalPCB Covert
 
Coda said:
I tried that as my first breadboard attempt. I failed miserably...
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The FZ-1 is leakage-biased and as such, is very sensitive to transistor selection. You can build it exactly right and it still won't work if the transistor leakage is wrong. Don't give up.
 
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Chuck D. Bones said:
The FZ-1 is leakage-biased and as such, is very sensitive to transistor selection. You can build it exactly right and it still won't work if the transistor leakage is wrong. Don't give up.
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I’m waiting for the pcb. I’ve been toying with the Fuzz Face/TB Mk 1.5/Vox Tone Bender circuit as of late. Got plans for Fy-2 and Fuzz-Rite mods too. I’ve been putting off breadboarding, and now I’m hooked. Plus, I can catch the Phillies broadcasts now. Baseball sounds best through a Fuzz Face...
 
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I was playing late last night and had the Sunflower up...when I zero the guitar volume I get a mix of mexican radio and evangelicals. I amused myself with that until my wife collected me..
 
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