A Moral Dilemma
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fig
Village Idiot
Say, is that an Elon Musk model? It actually resembles a .22ga bolt-action with a section of 1-1/2" radiator hose clamped on the end.
jeffwhitfield
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Yeah, me too. Got two big batches that more or less cover my needs.My thoughts exactly. The Russian people have zero say in this, and even if they did if it doesn't align with Putin's views then it's a wash. I'm out of the germanium game for the most part so I don't have skin in the game, but I wouldn't cancel a person just because I don't agree with their governments policies or actions. If that were the case then I wouldn't buy from Americans either
MobyOctopad
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I've been debating putting one last order in with one of the Ukrainian sellers I've gone to in the past for diodes and transistors. I'm not sure, though, if the benefit of a little extra cash their way would outweigh any potential safety concerns for them in just getting something shipped. (I think they're based in Kiev, and thus presumably okay, but I'm not sure.)
Curious if others have placed orders from either country since the crisis started.
The whole point is moot for me because I don't need any more Ge Transistors. But my sympathy is with the majority of the Russian people. They are being lied to, exploited and forced into going along with a mad man. He obviously has issues about the break-up of the Soviet Union but why should other people have their lives ruined for his issues?
The entire thing is lunacy but avoiding buying a few dollars worth of transistors from some poor bugger living in a tiny apartment in a miserable city won't make any difference to a lunatic's plans. Out f interest (and too much time on my hands I am told) I translated the address of the guy who I bought my last lot of MP20s from. So I google streetview looked at where he lived. It was Omsk, in the middle of nowhere, and the apartment building looked like something out of a cold war movie. Dire. Where I live must look like paradise to that guy.
The entire thing is lunacy but avoiding buying a few dollars worth of transistors from some poor bugger living in a tiny apartment in a miserable city won't make any difference to a lunatic's plans. Out f interest (and too much time on my hands I am told) I translated the address of the guy who I bought my last lot of MP20s from. So I google streetview looked at where he lived. It was Omsk, in the middle of nowhere, and the apartment building looked like something out of a cold war movie. Dire. Where I live must look like paradise to that guy.
DAJE
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Arguably we'd be helping the average Ivan / Ivana by putting a few extra bucks in their pockets. It ain't the rich oligarchs that are selling Soviet era components on eBay.
Personally I am, shall we say, unconvinced that sanctions do anything other than hurt the poorer citizens of whatever country they're aimed at. Big business usually finds a way to sidestep consequences.
Remember that no government can truly rule without the consent of its people. Now, before that starts a huge argument, I am not saying that it's easy for people to stop them. But there are far more people than government officials. I am particularly biased because Jinjer is Ukrainian, so I vote for "boycott".
Feral Feline
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Has Putin's war failed and what does Russia want from Ukraine?
A year into Russia's war, he has little to show for it but there is no sign of an end.
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Matmosphere
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Ugh, I don’t want to wade into this too much but I will say, Kyiv is a very cool city, it is a little rough around the edges, but there is amazing murals painted everywhere through the city. The people are very friendly and nice, everyone is thoughtful and polite. They don’t deserve one bit of this.
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kyivmural.com
The argument that Ukraine was always part of Russia is pretty silly. Kyiv was a thriving city by 1000CE, Moscow was a forrest.
There is an amazing documentary on Netflix called Winter on Fire that documents the revolution there in 2014. The Daily podcast has done some excellent reporting on Ukraine over the last several years. The did a story about the 2014 revolution a few years ago (during the whole first impeachment business) that did a great job of framing that 2014 revolution in the context of what caused it. They’ve also done some good work this past week as well.
Murals in Kyiv - Wikipedia
Kyivmural
The argument that Ukraine was always part of Russia is pretty silly. Kyiv was a thriving city by 1000CE, Moscow was a forrest.
There is an amazing documentary on Netflix called Winter on Fire that documents the revolution there in 2014. The Daily podcast has done some excellent reporting on Ukraine over the last several years. The did a story about the 2014 revolution a few years ago (during the whole first impeachment business) that did a great job of framing that 2014 revolution in the context of what caused it. They’ve also done some good work this past week as well.
Sturdag Lagernathy
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Man, a week or so ago, I ordered some cheap russki paper-in-oil caps and totally forgot about it. I get an email yesterday that says
"Sorry, cannot complete transaction, Russia invaded my country. Thank you."..
At the time I ordered, I was in my own self interested blindspot of the whole situation. Seeing that email.. I don't know now. It's odd, the little things that can bring us together, cuz that guy? He was me. Just some dude that sold shit on the internet and lived his life. Now, God knows what he's dealing with. I would give him all the business I could, if it was possible.
"Sorry, cannot complete transaction, Russia invaded my country. Thank you."..
At the time I ordered, I was in my own self interested blindspot of the whole situation. Seeing that email.. I don't know now. It's odd, the little things that can bring us together, cuz that guy? He was me. Just some dude that sold shit on the internet and lived his life. Now, God knows what he's dealing with. I would give him all the business I could, if it was possible.
That's some bad timing...thanks Vlad.
Unintentionally I ordered two big batches of Ge trannys from Russia and Ukraine around February 7 or so. Looks like I'm getting thr Russian order delivered tomorrow and I've seen no updates on the larger PNP order from Ukraine since February 10. Hopefully it ends up here at some point.
I did notice that the Ukrainian seller put up an away message til March 24. He is one I found through here Alexer1. Hopefully he is ok
eh là bas ma
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as an european citizen, I don't think there is a good and a bad side, I think they are all wrong (I mean governments) and responsible for this war.
I hope this is obvious for everyone : European Union right now can't have a united military strategy, because USA is rooted deep inside some EU countries, wich refuse to talk about an EU army. They prefer to "externalize" their defense and let USA take care of everything...Poland is one of them, for exemple.
If Russia, eastern and western europe countries are allied, they can rule themselves and have some influence in the world, instead of USA and China..."Big Europe" would beat them all in terms of industry, military, economics, natural resources, demographic, etc...Not a good deal for the other players , so I think it's kind of easy to guess that europeans, including Russia, are driven to war by their rivals, to make europe weaker.
USA are currently the kind of ally I wouldn't wish on my worst ennemy...In 2014 they succeded in taking over the biggest industrial company of our country, called Alstom. The head of the company was coerced into selling to General Electric. During a negociation journey in the US, US government put some of Alstom "strategic" workers in jail, in order to force the CEO to sign the deal. The CEO testified on record later.
We have the number, they have heavy weapons and armor, soooo...we just loose every time. Clearly you can rule a country without the people's consent, you just need to check a few conditions. Like control over the information, cut the police from the rest of the population, have full control over justice and tribunals, and keep the wealthy part of the population happy, for exemples.
As other forumites already said, if I boycott Russia's products now, I have to boycott every product from every country led by murderers in their government...I am afraid that's almost all of them...including my own. So no boycott for me, but I always buy from musikding, and I guess the boycott choice is in Klaus's hands.
I can't believe we have to worry about nuclear missiles right after covid...Life is so full of surprise, isn't it ?
My thoughts are with the Ukrainian people, I hope war will end very soon.
I hope this is obvious for everyone : European Union right now can't have a united military strategy, because USA is rooted deep inside some EU countries, wich refuse to talk about an EU army. They prefer to "externalize" their defense and let USA take care of everything...Poland is one of them, for exemple.
If Russia, eastern and western europe countries are allied, they can rule themselves and have some influence in the world, instead of USA and China..."Big Europe" would beat them all in terms of industry, military, economics, natural resources, demographic, etc...Not a good deal for the other players , so I think it's kind of easy to guess that europeans, including Russia, are driven to war by their rivals, to make europe weaker.
USA are currently the kind of ally I wouldn't wish on my worst ennemy...In 2014 they succeded in taking over the biggest industrial company of our country, called Alstom. The head of the company was coerced into selling to General Electric. During a negociation journey in the US, US government put some of Alstom "strategic" workers in jail, in order to force the CEO to sign the deal. The CEO testified on record later.
We have the number, they have heavy weapons and armor, soooo...we just loose every time. Clearly you can rule a country without the people's consent, you just need to check a few conditions. Like control over the information, cut the police from the rest of the population, have full control over justice and tribunals, and keep the wealthy part of the population happy, for exemples.
As other forumites already said, if I boycott Russia's products now, I have to boycott every product from every country led by murderers in their government...I am afraid that's almost all of them...including my own. So no boycott for me, but I always buy from musikding, and I guess the boycott choice is in Klaus's hands.
I can't believe we have to worry about nuclear missiles right after covid...Life is so full of surprise, isn't it ?
My thoughts are with the Ukrainian people, I hope war will end very soon.
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