First Build report - M800

TravisM

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I wanted a MIAB pedal so I decided on the M800 for my first build. It took 4 days to get everything soldered and wired together. The offboard wiring gave me a bit of trouble with polarity of the input/output jacks, the DC jack I was using was grounding out the ring to the enclosure and had to be replaced, and I wired the switch wrong the first go. After I found and fixed all those issues, the pedal turned on and the effect worked! It sounded fine, but was more low to medium gain with just a bit of high gain. I suspected something wasn't quite right when I couldn't get Q5 to bias as expected. A post in the troubleshoot forum and a few hours later, the culprit was spotted as the wrong value resistor in the circuit. Replacing that netted a much different animal, but I still wasn't sure it was what I wanted. So, I built another one.

The second try went together much quicker with all the offboard wiring and values correct the first time. The two effects sound the same so I guess this pedal isn't quite what I was looking for, but that's okay.

Other lessons learned:
1) Use multiturn trimpots - biasing the JFETS with single turn trimmers takes a finer touch than what I can provide. I can get them close, but they are extremely touch sensitive when dialing in.
2) When I was testing components, I checked the value against the order sheet and not against the build sheet. This let the wrong value resistor sneak by.
3) I used a soldering tip that was very small for the first build and in order to get enough heat into the board and parts, I had to crank up the temp and hold the tip in place longer than what is typical. I used a larger chisel tip instead of the fine conical tip when I made the second build and it was much easier with a lower temp and less time heating.

All in all, I learned a lot. The second build went together in 3 hours instead of 4 days and worked as expected the first time so even though the pedal(s) are not quite what I was looking for, I still consider this a success.
 

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I am hoping to have mine finished in the next few days (realized I forgot to get 470r resistor and 470p caps). I didn't know you could get multi-turn trim pots. Do some people just bias these by ear? I am also looking at getting chisel tip (K tip for T100).

BTW, what do the tops of these look like?
 
The second try went together much quicker with all the offboard wiring and values correct the first time. The two effects sound the same so I guess this pedal isn't quite what I was looking for, but that's okay.
If it's dialed in right, this is a Marshall in a Box in the higher realm!
Q1, Q2, Q3, Q5 & Q6 should be @ 4.5v, when you get the last one right, go back & re bias again to 4.5v!!!
Q4 is fixed biased
The Trimmer below Q4 is a Tone Trimmer, This can make or break the overall desired sound of this pedal!
Turn it to around 9.00 O'clock ( my Favorite) , just up from the full anti- clockwise position & then try it at 12.00 & 3.00 and you will see what I talking about !!!
 
Q1, Q2, Q3, Q5 & Q6 should be @ 4.5v, when you get the last one right, go back & re bias again to 4.5v!!!
Q4 is fixed biased

I've got the bias dialed in. Don't get me wrong, they are fire breathing monsters of gain and volume, but I just haven't got tones from them I like yet.
I find the bass response in particular gets muddy when the A and low E strings are played at the same time, but single note lead lines are fine.
 
I've got the bias dialed in. Don't get me wrong, they are fire breathing monsters of gain and volume, but I just haven't got tones from them I like yet.
I find the bass response in particular gets muddy when the A and low E strings are played at the same time, but single note lead lines are fine.
Play with the Internal Tone Trimmer & report back!
Bass around 10.00 O'clock is as high as I go.
 
You should try the jhs angry charlie clone next. I built the m800 and felt the same as you. I built the angry charlie and it was exactly what the m800 was missing.
Thanks, I was strongly considering the dirty Sanchez or brown Betty next, but this gives me something else to think about.
 
Play with the Internal Tone Trimmer & report back!
Bass around 10.00 O'clock is as high as I go.
I think the problem is from dialing it in with a lower output single coil and then hitting it with a humbucker. I tend to grab whatever I have out at the moment and I think I'll be a bit more deliberate with the input source and see what I get.
 
Play with the Internal Tone Trimmer & report back!
Bass around 10.00 O'clock is as high as I go.
After some very deliberate tuning of the JFET's bias, I was able to tighten the bass response to acceptable levels starting with my highest output humbuckers. Thanks for the additional nudge to get back inside and do this.
 
Anyone know how to make it lower gain ir with more headroom?
Put the circuit on a breadboard and try some stuff. When I first assembled it, I accidentally put the wrong resistor in R11 which kept the circuit from going into high distortion. You could start there and see if it does what you want.
 
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