Help, I'm a Rock!...

Coda

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...what a drag it is being a rock. In the Spring of 2019, I read an article about Frank Zappa. I thought it was pretty interesting; mainly, the fact that I had never heard anything by Zappa. I knew not to eat the yellow snow, that's about it. I did a bit of research, and it seemed that the Internet had figured out that, for a Rock like me (Help!) Hot Rats was a good place to start. And it was...

Two years later, Hot Rats was part of my collection, though not something I listened to all the time. Then, perusing PPCB for strange circuits that I've never heard of, I stumbled upon the Systech Harmonic Energizer. I looked up some demos, and the first video that popped up was pretty sad...but it convinced me to build the pedal. I built it, it was, and still is, good. Not long after this momentous event in my life, I discovered two things, almost simultaneously: 1) that Systech also made a slightly more simplified, yet ganier version, called the Systech Overdrive, and 2) that Frank Zappa used an Harmonic Energizer. Here was that Zappa guy again.

I built the Systech OD. It is good, though I prefer the Harmonic Energizer into a BMP. I posted a build report, with clips, as a good forum member should. Naturally talk got round to Zappa. It was @Bricksnbeatles who gave me the homework assignment...

I’ll assume that you’ve already heard some of the most common recommendations (ie; Inca Roads, Montana, Cosmik Debris, Dancing Fool, etc) so I won’t reiterate any of those.
For starters, I’d give the medley of Let’s Make the Water Turn Black/Harry You’re A Beast/Orange County Lumber Truck I/Oh No/Orange County Lumber Truck II from the “Ahead of Their Time” album— a fantastic fusion band during that lineup, with the performance being not unlike that of the 1972/73 lineup (4-5 years later) of Soft Machine.
For a more pop-oriented rock track, check out City of Lites— featuring future King Crimson frontman Adrian Belew, in what is one of the best vocal performance of his entire career.

also give “We Are Not Alone”, “Mom and Dad”, and “Electric Aunt Jemima”, and “Who Are The Brain Police” each a listen when you get a chance.

I hadn't heard anything mentioned. I honestly had no idea where to start. I made a Spotify playlist of a series of tunes suggested to me by Bricksnbeatles and others. I liked it...but only just. Then, one summer evening, while drinking beers and grilling something (old shoes? I cant really remember) I decided to try some Zappa. A brief glance at Spotify, and I was drawn to the Roxy by Proxy. By the time the shoes were done, I was hooked. I don't know if it were the golden rays of summers evening, or the fumes of smoldering Converse, but something about Inca Roads and Village of the Sun really stuck with me. But soon Summer turned into Autumn, and I moved away from Zappa...

Star Date: January, 2022. I decided to try again, this time with something live: The Spectrum 1976. Hooked. Then, the Hammersmith Odeon 1978, and Halloween '77. Then I learned the solo to Son of Mr. Green Genes. By Spring I was very focused, and beginning to play close attention. Soon I noticed little riffs and runs popping up in my playing that were very Zappa-esque. In May, I bought Overnite Sensation on vinyl, and spent a solid month obsessed with Montana. I started learning songs: Black Napkins, Montana, Peaches En Regalia, Willie the Pimp, Cosmic Debris, The Slime, and so on. I started studying; comparing different versions of the same song (the Montana from the Helsinki Road Tapes album is my all-time favorite version of the tune, other than the OG). I also started studying the effects/gear/rigs, and how they changed over the years (I'm still trying to find out if he switched between the 360 and the Super Beatle, or only switch between them once, as the fuzz tones he used them for are very similar), playing a fun game where I guess if I hear the wah cocked, or the Harmonic Energizer, and figuring out when Zappa played and when his other guitarists (when there was one) was playing...something that is super easy now. I wonder if they are freaking out?...

Now, @Bricksnbeatles : Ahead of Their Time is amazing. I listened to it this passed Summer, this time while grilling veggies, because my wife and I went Vegetarian (why not?). I was almost literally struck by awe. The second half of that album is non-stop, and it is good. Its not really good, but that's what made the Mothers so good. It sounds like a bunch of non-professionals doing their best...like me when I played in bands! At the same time, they are doing it...and well. City of Tiny Lights is great (Ray White's version is pretty good too), but I think Belew's vocals on Dinosaur, on the Thrak album, are better than City of Tiny Lights.

I don't touch Zappa after Belew. I have tried, dozens of times. Its just too sad. 1988 is especially rough. I remember that year...or at least, I think I do. I was 1. I can say, however, that my 1988 was better than Zappa's. 1973-1974 was my favorite for a bit, but just recently 75-76 has started to creep in, thanks to the newest Yugoslavia album (Carolina Hardcore Ecstasy? Amazing. I ended up getting Bongo Fury on vinyl). Which brings me to the point of this post: I really only got into Zappa because of bricksnbeatles and @Dali . I've got Zappa things to talk about, so lets do it...
 
Awesome reading about your Zappa journey! Glad to hear @Dali and I made our mark by shoving you into the Zappa pool. I haven't had a chance to listen to the new Yugoslavia or Erie releases yet, but those and the forthcoming Waka/Wazoo set are on my radar to give a deep listen to after the semester ends.

the Montana from the Helsinki Road Tapes album is my all-time favorite version of the tune, other than the OG
the 73 Helsinki show may just be my favorite overall live Zappa show. It's definitely the show I'd pick if I could go back in time to see a single concert by any now-deceased artist.

Carolina Hardcore Ecstasy? Amazing.
One of my favorites! the various live renditions of it are all stellar, but the solo of the version released on Bongo Fury is absolutely filthy in the best way. It's nasty for sure; nasty, nasty, nasty– nasty, nasty, nasty!
 
Awesome reading about your Zappa journey! Glad to hear @Dali and I made our mark by shoving you into the Zappa pool. I haven't had a chance to listen to the new Yugoslavia or Erie releases yet, but those and the forthcoming Waka/Wazoo set are on my radar to give a deep listen to after the semester ends.


the 73 Helsinki show may just be my favorite overall live Zappa show. It's definitely the show I'd pick if I could go back in time to see a single concert by any now-deceased artist.


One of my favorites! the various live renditions of it are all stellar, but the solo of the version released on Bongo Fury is absolutely filthy in the best way. It's nasty for sure; nasty, nasty, nasty– nasty, nasty, nasty!

Erie is interesting because of documents two transitional eras. I think Yugoslavia stuff is better, though a lot of people have been underwhelmed by it…
 
So my zappa journey started when I was 7 (1987). I had a single mom and she started dating someone. I met him and he was super into music, first thing I really remember him playing for me to listen to was third stone from the sun. But he also always played these weird songs from this guy named frank zappa. They had kind of funny lyrics sometimes songs about a guy growing dental floss, something about a Mexican poncho, and slime coming from the tv. I didn’t really get any of it. Some of which was probably for the best honestly lol. Fast forward about 6-7 years. 13 year old me got a guitar in addition to trying to master playing Polly, come as you are, outshined and every other Seattle song I could find (AIC songs seemed to hard). I started stealing several of my now step dads vinyl and cds. Not so much the zappa though. Lots of hendrix, the doors. Later Beatles stuff, zeppelin. Couple years later I went to this guitar camp thing NGSW I think it was called in so cal (I think my parents decided it was worth the cost of tuition to get me out of the house for a week lol). I discovered jazz while I was there. Got back and was listening to miles Coltrane Wes Montgomery bela fleck and the flecktones all kinds of stuff. Of course I end up playing all this stuff for my step dad like I was showing him stuff he hadn’t heard. But he said to me you need to really listen to this zappa stuff again, if your into all that stuff. And I just remember saying something about all his stuff being about funny lyrics about crew sluts and catholic girls. But he put on Montana again. And I listened to it in a whole new way. Been a huge fan ever since.

Finally in February on 2020 I got to go see dweezil do zappa plays zappa at the roseland in Portland. So glad this was my last concert before the pandemic shut everything down. Been trying to go for years but I always seemed to miss the announcement of the tix going on sale.

Now i torture my kid wirb zappa music was kinda cool though at 4 he asked Alexa play uncle Remus and sang along to every word.
 
I am a huge Zappa fan (and a huge Zappateer, though I haven't been on the forum in a long time, I have 800+ concerts).

It all started when the Strictly Commercial compilation came out and I bought that to find out about Zappa from his association with Vai. Since that moment it has been a mind opening experience.

Regardless of what the man himself was like (never meet your idols, etc.), his work was stellar and I doubt that there is a live band which can top any of the Zappa bands.
Vinnie Colaiuta made me appreciate drummers as truly amazing musicians.

I don't mind the later Zappa tours (Make a Jazz Noise Here has brilliant stuff) though I think Joe's Garage is the pinnacle in many things, great musicians, great music, great audio engineering, Vinnie on fire.

City of Tiny Lites.. that is a completely other story. I once had a playlist of CoTL performances, you could never reach the end of it and they all had their own uniqueness. I must make that once more.. (and save it this time!).

There will never be such a phenomenon again.
 
I feel like I need to add to this considering the name I chose for my account here. Honestly I didn't put that much thought into it, when I signed up for the forum I happened to be listening to Montana in the background. I'd consider Zappa a major influence for me but I'm not as much of a deep dive guy. I have a nice little collection of around 15 of his records and I don't get too far outside of that. I should, so I'm happy to read (listen) along to what y'all think is worth tracking down.

And since nobody's mentioned it yet, A big part of my Zappa love comes directly from my Stravinsky and Varese love.
 
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How about some love for the Flo and Eddie era?
In my first semester of college I recommended Zappa to my music theory professor who was an international grad student from China who for some reason had us analyze Tubthumping by Chumbawamba and Since U Been Gone by Kelly Clarkson multiple times in the semester. I didn’t specify what to check out, because I was just mentioning Zappa’s idea of the Project/Object and how it closely resembled the ideology of another composer we were looking at. The next week he came into class and told me (and the whole class) that he picked a random song to listen to called Magdalena, and that it was brilliant in its use of shifting tempos, orchestration, melody, motif, etc., and then- in front of the entire class, he explained that his English isn’t very good and he didn’t understand the lyrics or what “can adeadadi” (his interpretation of Canadian Daddy) meant, and asked if I could explain. Needless to say I lied and said the lyrics were mostly just gibberish and that’s why he didn’t understand. Of all Zappa songs, there’s no way I’d ever explain the meaning of Magdalena to a bunch of unsuspecting undergrads and a confused Grad Student lecturer. Yikes 😂
 
"Picked at random, we're going to analyze the lyrics to a song called... let's see..... uhh Dinah Moe Hum. I don't understand what the poodle is chewing though. There's mention of sugar plums so i think it might be a Christmas song."
 
How about some love for the Flo and Eddie era?
In my first semester of college I recommended Zappa to my music theory professor who was an international grad student from China who for some reason had us analyze Tubthumping by Chumbawamba and Since U Been Gone by Kelly Clarkson multiple times in the semester. I didn’t specify what to check out, because I was just mentioning Zappa’s idea of the Project/Object and how it closely resembled the ideology of another composer we were looking at. The next week he came into class and told me (and the whole class) that he picked a random song to listen to called Magdalena, and that it was brilliant in its use of shifting tempos, orchestration, melody, motif, etc., and then- in front of the entire class, he explained that his English isn’t very good and he didn’t understand the lyrics or what “can adeadadi” (his interpretation of Canadian Daddy) meant, and asked if I could explain. Needless to say I lied and said the lyrics were mostly just gibberish and that’s why he didn’t understand. Of all Zappa songs, there’s no way I’d ever explain the meaning of Magdalena to a bunch of unsuspecting undergrads and a confused Grad Student lecturer. Yikes 😂
I do love me some Flo and Eddie. Aynsley Dunbar is a great drummer.
 
How about some love for the Flo and Eddie era?
In my first semester of college I recommended Zappa to my music theory professor who was an international grad student from China who for some reason had us analyze Tubthumping by Chumbawamba and Since U Been Gone by Kelly Clarkson multiple times in the semester. I didn’t specify what to check out, because I was just mentioning Zappa’s idea of the Project/Object and how it closely resembled the ideology of another composer we were looking at. The next week he came into class and told me (and the whole class) that he picked a random song to listen to called Magdalena, and that it was brilliant in its use of shifting tempos, orchestration, melody, motif, etc., and then- in front of the entire class, he explained that his English isn’t very good and he didn’t understand the lyrics or what “can adeadadi” (his interpretation of Canadian Daddy) meant, and asked if I could explain. Needless to say I lied and said the lyrics were mostly just gibberish and that’s why he didn’t understand. Of all Zappa songs, there’s no way I’d ever explain the meaning of Magdalena to a bunch of unsuspecting undergrads and a confused Grad Student lecturer. Yikes 😂
I like that era, but I have trouble taking it too seriously. It was a bit too high energy chaotic, compared to the high energy organized of the Roxy Era. Thinking about it, the Flo and Eddie era was very transitional, with little live matching new LP's. I do like the Carnegie concert, because that venue always brings a dense calmness (listen to Dave Brubeck Quartet Live at Carnegie. It's amazing. Joe Morello had a 103F fever the day before, and Castilian Drums on that record is where Moby Dick came from). Anywho, for me, the Flo and Eddie stuff is a bit too much "staged performance"; I prefer a yazzy approach, with more improv...
 
Someone mention City of Tiny Lights? You got the mandatory picture of me playing it with Adrian in 2016. A life highlight for a Zappa/Belew fan like me for the last +40 years.
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Check his smile while I show him how it's done :LOL:

During my solo, Adrian decided to jump (unannounced) on a drum set to turn this into a historical moment for me.
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Now I stop bragging.
 
I don't think I've ever heard anything by Frank Zappa. I'll check out some of the recommendations in this thread.
 
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