NPD! Lollar P90's - Demo

Update:

Well, my SmallBear order from the sale showed up today. In the order I pretty much stocked up on all the guitar tone caps I'll ever need for a long long time. (So he says....hahah).

Just on a whim I decided to try some "Tropical Fish" caps in my LP Special, so I swapped out the ones I initially put in there.
Again, .015 for the neck and .033 for the bridge.

How do they sound? Well.................I can't tell any difference from what I had in there before....but they ARE cool looking and that's what's important right? :ROFLMAO:

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As long as it sounds good it doesn't matter if no one else can see them. You know they're there and they'll make you smile anytime you have to open the control cavity.
 
@MichaelW my avatar is the tone cap from my strat scratchplate wired by Marc at Mojo. Which is why it's a giant red PIO with MOJO written on the side.
Does he roll his own? Or has them OEM'd? You're really selling me on these pickups man....hahahah.
I have a "slow roll" Strat project on the back burner. I have a Candy Apple Red alder body already but it's a poly body and a bit on the shiny side. I'm planning to do a "dull" job on it. Not really a relic look I'm after but just to tone down the uber glossy. But the premise of this build is a 60's style Strat.

2 sets of pickups I've been looking at are the Lollar 64's (They used to be called "BlackFace" but I guess they got "cancelled" by wokeness? Not sure how we can still refer to amps as "blackface" without getting cancelled....but that's another topic...).

The other set are the Fender Custom Shop "Fat 60's". I really like those as well. I like most of the Custom Shop pickups.
 
ok, I'm a big dummy. The more I played the Special the more the new Tropical Fish caps I put in sounded a little off on the tone roll off.

I reversed them and put the .015 on the bridge and .033 on the neck. Just corrected them and all is right with the world.....:)
 
Having said that I could probably make life a lot easier for myself and standardize on .015 on ANY pickup in ANY guitar in ANY position and love it. This is what Lollar has done on all their shop guitars. The roll off is particularly nice on neck pickups.

I discovered this on my own when I wired my last Strat to "Eric Johnson" specs. He uses Sprague Vitamin Q .015 on his tone control. It seemed so unintuitive to go with .015 until I tried it and found I really like the way the tone control works.
 
That's awesome, would love see a NGD post! I love my "hacked" Thinline. Ya, Tele neck pickups are weird. I've heard so many folks talk about how "useless" the neck pickup on a Tele is. Yet it's my favorite Tele position. The "Twisted Tele" is actually a Strat pickup in Tele dressing.
Might be why it's so popular and might be why you like what you're hearing.

I had the Twisted set in a "Baja Tele" that I sold. I loved how that guitar sounded, hated how it played. By that time the "Baja's" had become "collectible" so I sold it for more than I paid for it. (Whodathunk a Mexican Tele would become collectible?)
I have a Cavalier SRV in my tele neck slot and I freaking love it.
 
What happened to the Zhangbucker prototype P90?
@music6000

The Zhangbucker "Lollipop" P90 prototype showed up in the mail today. (On a Sunday...?? Wierd).

Of course I couldn't resist installing it.

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I put it in my Gretsch Jet Junior that's got the vintage style Filtertron (Sonotron) in the bridge position.
That pickup was an interesting find. I posted about it in this thread.
It's one music store on Reverb that sells these as well as some other interesting pickups. I'm guessing that must be outsourced overseas for the price but they had gotten good reviews. I put it in my watchlist on Reverb and they sent me an offer of $30 shipped. That's cheaper than GuitarFetish (their filtertrons don't sound much like filtertrons). I figured, what the heck, it was a low cost investment and I could return it if I didn't like it. But I was very pleasantly surprised at how good and authentic it sounded. Sounds at least as good as a Gretsch "Filtertron" (not their Broadtron, which is more PAF-ish). Not TV Jones quality of sound but not that far off either.

Anyway, one issue I had was that for some reason the polarity is reversed on that pickup, so I could not use a traditional mesh wire type single conductor neck pickup or it would be out of phase with the bridge. The second issue I had was that the Sonotron is 4.8k, pretty low output and it's difficult to match levels with a typical neck P90 which are normally around 8k for a standard wind.

Thus, the Zhangbucker Lollipop solves both issues by being wound really low for a P90 (6k) and came with 3 conductor wiring so I could match phase with the bridge.

So how does it sound? Well, it's not your daddy's P90. Definitely a ultra low wind, so it's got a clarity and openness that's not typically associated with the P90 sound. It doesn't have as much mid-range growl, in fact it's well balanced, to the point that it kind of reminds of me of a Gold Foil.

Yet, with gain it sounds really good, it's got that hollow, flutey-ness of a good low wind P90. David Plummer (aka Mr. Zhang) knows what he's doing and is a gifted pickup winder, even if some of his stuff is a bit unorthodox. It was originally developed to go into a Tele with a Tele bridge pickup to match better than a normal wind P90 which is hotter and louder. So, I would say the same principle applies to matching it with my Filtertron and now I don't have the big volume disparity switching pickups. To ME it sounds really good and I like it a lot in the Gretsch.
But it may not be everyone's cup of tea if you're expecting a typical P90.

I'm also glad I did not try to match it with the Epiphone bridge P90, which is what I originally intended when I ordered it. They would be way too mismatched both in terms of output and tonal qualities. Very glad I got the Lollar set for the Special.

I'm traveling this coming week but when I get back I'll record a couple more clips to add to the above clips so you hear for yourself what it sounds like. Like most "good" pickups, it's got a ton of "character" and a 3d quality to it. But as I said, it's not your typical P90.

Oh and I have yet another P90 coming that someone on the forum turned me onto. BootStrap Pickups. Ridiculously low priced for a custom wound pickup, he winds them in his garage. But a lot of folks rave about his pickups. But he's got a minimum 4 week backlog and he's not very responsive. So it was like I sent my PayPal into the ether and then one day a month and a half later I got a "shipped" notice. Doesn't work too well for us "instant gratification" types, heh.

Bootstrap also makes a "humbucker shaped" P90 and I also ordered a pair of those to try in my Warmoth P90 Strat that currently has a pair of GFS Mean 90's in it. I've been searching for something more authentically P90-ish to replace them with.

So the long and short of it, I will wind up with 3 extra P90's with nowhere for them to go. Which of course has me thinking about building something heh. Not sure what though. I've always wanted a 3 P90 guitar, perhaps in a Tele platform. That's one possibility.
 
Saw Elvis Costello this weekend (think it will be streamable, Hardly Strictly Bluegrass, 2022) and he did a few songs on a Harmony 330 style guitar, with 3 P90s, and 6 large white knobs arced along the lower bout. Couldn’t really comment on the sound, but it was very cool looking. Also had a large pivoting pickup selector near the front horn.

Since this has become a pickup discussion thread, I need to add my continual praise for Wilde Alnico Microcoils. I have them in my Warmoth Strat and Bartone Thinline, and for anyone looking for very low noise (but true single coil), very wide range, incredibly open sounding pickups should order a set. Don’t be upset by the fact that a set will cost what single Lollars, etc. cost—they’re hand wound to order by Bills wife and daughter. I’m debating between his L90 and a Lollar Charlie Christian in an Eastman Jazz box I have.
 
Saw Elvis Costello this weekend (think it will be streamable, Hardly Strictly Bluegrass, 2022) and he did a few songs on a Harmony 330 style guitar, with 3 P90s, and 6 large white knobs arced along the lower bout. Couldn’t really comment on the sound, but it was very cool looking. Also had a large pivoting pickup selector near the front horn.

Since this has become a pickup discussion thread, I need to add my continual praise for Wilde Alnico Microcoils. I have them in my Warmoth Strat and Bartone Thinline, and for anyone looking for very low noise (but true single coil), very wide range, incredibly open sounding pickups should order a set. Don’t be upset by the fact that a set will cost what single Lollars, etc. cost—they’re hand wound to order by Bills wife and daughter. I’m debating between his L90 and a Lollar Charlie Christian in an Eastman Jazz box I have.
Just to be clear, the Lollar 50’s wind is based on the guitar owned by deceased blues guitar player “Sean” Costello. No relation the great Elvis of the same name:) I’m always on the lookout for new pickup winders. Never heard of Wilde, is there a website? Definitely will check them out!
 
Just to be clear, the Lollar 50’s wind is based on the guitar owned by deceased blues guitar player “Sean” Costello. No relation the great Elvis of the same name:) I’m always on the lookout for new pickup winders. Never heard of Wilde, is there a website? Definitely will check them out!
Ahhhh, this is Bill Lawrence's stuff. Yah, I HAVE heard of him:) I didn't know he was still selling pickups directly. He's like the OG boutique custom pickup winder. There WOULD be no Jason Lollar if Bill didn't blaze that trail first. Cool Stuff!
 
Ahhhh, this is Bill Lawrence's stuff. Yah, I HAVE heard of him:) I didn't know he was still selling pickups directly. He's like the OG boutique custom pickup winder. There WOULD be no Jason Lollar if Bill didn't blaze that trail first. Cool Stuff!
Bill’s last partner was not a nice man, and owns the rights to Bill Lawrence (tm)… not sure where the “Wilde” comes from. Had to laugh at your asking if was a new vendor, but your brief assessment is spot on.

The Microcoils were Bill’s final design, and the idea is brilliant—instead of putting the same number of wraps over a 5/8 inch bobbin height, why not put them only on the top 1/8th inch. Same strength magnetic field, but a much narrower, more focused one. Hence, less noise — they are not silent, by any means. But that focus also really describes they sound to me. They are almost hi-fi sounding, but not in the cheap transistor amp hi-fi of EMGs, if you know what i mean. (Not to piss off any EMG fans. I do have Bartolini actives on one of my basses.) Fairly even freq. response, from way low to way high. If you want growl, you need to add it. Until I used these, Jason’s low wind P90s we’re my favorite pickup, and still are when combined with a good EL-84 amp.
 
I love that Bill is still playing in some of those clips, and still got some serious chops! Too bad about losing his trademark.
That's just despicable.

You have to hear this Zhangbucker Lollipop. If you like the Lollar Low Wind's this takes it to another level. I'll try to record some clips later in the week. In some sense, it's almost out of the realm of a P90, it's got such a wide range hifi sound to it. Almost Gold Foil territory.

Yet when you step on it, the honk is still there. Very interesting pickup. It would not be my first choice for all P90 guitars.
But it works in my Gretsch and I can see it working very well in a Tele.
 
@music6000

The Zhangbucker "Lollipop" P90 prototype showed up in the mail today. (On a Sunday...?? Wierd).

Of course I couldn't resist installing it.

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I put it in my Gretsch Jet Junior that's got the vintage style Filtertron (Sonotron) in the bridge position.
That pickup was an interesting find. I posted about it in this thread.
It's one music store on Reverb that sells these as well as some other interesting pickups. I'm guessing that must be outsourced overseas for the price but they had gotten good reviews. I put it in my watchlist on Reverb and they sent me an offer of $30 shipped. That's cheaper than GuitarFetish (their filtertrons don't sound much like filtertrons). I figured, what the heck, it was a low cost investment and I could return it if I didn't like it. But I was very pleasantly surprised at how good and authentic it sounded. Sounds at least as good as a Gretsch "Filtertron" (not their Broadtron, which is more PAF-ish). Not TV Jones quality of sound but not that far off either.

Anyway, one issue I had was that for some reason the polarity is reversed on that pickup, so I could not use a traditional mesh wire type single conductor neck pickup or it would be out of phase with the bridge. The second issue I had was that the Sonotron is 4.8k, pretty low output and it's difficult to match levels with a typical neck P90 which are normally around 8k for a standard wind.

Thus, the Zhangbucker Lollipop solves both issues by being wound really low for a P90 (6k) and came with 3 conductor wiring so I could match phase with the bridge.

So how does it sound? Well, it's not your daddy's P90. Definitely a ultra low wind, so it's got a clarity and openness that's not typically associated with the P90 sound. It doesn't have as much mid-range growl, in fact it's well balanced, to the point that it kind of reminds of me of a Gold Foil.

Yet, with gain it sounds really good, it's got that hollow, flutey-ness of a good low wind P90. David Plummer (aka Mr. Zhang) knows what he's doing and is a gifted pickup winder, even if some of his stuff is a bit unorthodox. It was originally developed to go into a Tele with a Tele bridge pickup to match better than a normal wind P90 which is hotter and louder. So, I would say the same principle applies to matching it with my Filtertron and now I don't have the big volume disparity switching pickups. To ME it sounds really good and I like it a lot in the Gretsch.
But it may not be everyone's cup of tea if you're expecting a typical P90.

I'm also glad I did not try to match it with the Epiphone bridge P90, which is what I originally intended when I ordered it. They would be way too mismatched both in terms of output and tonal qualities. Very glad I got the Lollar set for the Special.

I'm traveling this coming week but when I get back I'll record a couple more clips to add to the above clips so you hear for yourself what it sounds like. Like most "good" pickups, it's got a ton of "character" and a 3d quality to it. But as I said, it's not your typical P90.

Oh and I have yet another P90 coming that someone on the forum turned me onto. BootStrap Pickups. Ridiculously low priced for a custom wound pickup, he winds them in his garage. But a lot of folks rave about his pickups. But he's got a minimum 4 week backlog and he's not very responsive. So it was like I sent my PayPal into the ether and then one day a month and a half later I got a "shipped" notice. Doesn't work too well for us "instant gratification" types, heh.

Bootstrap also makes a "humbucker shaped" P90 and I also ordered a pair of those to try in my Warmoth P90 Strat that currently has a pair of GFS Mean 90's in it. I've been searching for something more authentically P90-ish to replace them with.

So the long and short of it, I will wind up with 3 extra P90's with nowhere for them to go. Which of course has me thinking about building something heh. Not sure what though. I've always wanted a 3 P90 guitar, perhaps in a Tele platform. That's one possibility.
Interesting notes on the zangbucker. Also I was looking at the bootstrap p90s too. I just put a set of his golden ales in my strat (Tagima) and it’s such a night and day difference over the cheapo pickups that came in it. I think the guy knows what he’s doing so I’m sure you’ll at least find them serviceable. I definitely agree on the whole sending your PayPal payment into the ether thing hahaha
 
Interesting notes on the zangbucker. Also I was looking at the bootstrap p90s too. I just put a set of his golden ales in my strat (Tagima) and it’s such a night and day difference over the cheapo pickups that came in it. I think the guy knows what he’s doing so I’m sure you’ll at least find them serviceable. I definitely agree on the whole sending your PayPal payment into the ether thing hahaha
Well I don't have anything at the moment to put the BootStrap P90 in to test it. I "should" be getting the set of HB 90's soon since I ordered them a couple of weeks after I ordered the P90. If that set knocks my socks off I may try the single neck P90 in one of my other guitars. But I'm really happy with everything right now. Very glad to hear you liked his Strat pickups.
 
Well I don't have anything at the moment to put the BootStrap P90 in to test it. I "should" be getting the set of HB 90's soon since I ordered them a couple of weeks after I ordered the P90. If that set knocks my socks off I may try the single neck P90 in one of my other guitars. But I'm really happy with everything right now. Very glad to hear you liked his Strat pickups.
Oh jeez looks like you need another guitar…

Yes I went off recommendations of a few people here and for the price you can’t go wrong. The website said four week lead time and right at four weeks I was getting antsy so I emailed him and he said they were being done that week and I had them within like 4 days
 
Yah, sometimes it's good for me to be forced to wait for stuff.....hahahah. I just talked to my wife and she said the Bootstrap was delivered yesterday (I'm on the road this week). I was going to ask her to pull out the DMM and check the resistance but then decided it might be a bit much to walk her through that hahahah.
 
I love the honk of a good P90. The stock P90s in my ES-225 from (I think?) 2015 are perfect. It's interesting that they are low-winds for Gibson because they sound so juicy and fat - that guitar body must play a substantial role in that. When I got the USA Epiphone Casino early this year it sounded brighter and thinner - and I guess it is a thinner guitar. Still a killer sound, but a lot different from the 225. I measured the DC resistance of both guitars' pickups and those in the Casino were actually both 500ohms hotter. So somebody at Gibson is paying attention. In both guitars the pickups sound exactly how I would want them.

When I got the 225 the pickups had no shims, so the bridge pickup in particular had a very old-school sound. VERY un-hi-fi and not so strong. It was actually a cool sound, but I wanted to hear what the pickup could do. So I used some Lollar shims and got the bridge pickup to where you would think it should be - close to the strings but not so close they interfered. What a sound! Powerful, fat, clear but punchy - probably the best sound I have ever heard from a P90 - maybe any bridge pickup. Soooo expressive. The only bridge pickup sound I have to rival it would be the TV Jones Filter'tron Classic in my '53 VS Duo Jet. The Filter'tron sound is "the sound in my head", but for raw, tough sounds that ES-225 bridge pickup is hard to beat. The overtones are indescribable.
 
"low wind" doesn't mean, "thin and weak". Generally "low wind" just means wound to specs that pre-date the mad rush to super high output pickups. For example. the Lollar Low Wind and 50' Wind are patterned after real old Gibsons. You can get extremely lush, fat juicy sounds out of low wind pickups. In fact, you're more likely to. I've found that low of "vintage" output pickup generally retain more of their character to me be it a PAF or P90. I think Pete Thorn said it best the he was designing his signature Suhr pickups trying to convince John to wind them a little lower. He said "The days of needing your guitar pickup to be really hot to push an amp are in the past, there are so many good high gain amps and boost/overdrive pedals that can do that. But you lose definition with pickups that are wound too hot..."

The Gibson stock P90's I've heard all sound really good and I would probably not touch them.
 
"low wind" doesn't mean, "thin and weak". Generally "low wind" just means wound to specs that pre-date the mad rush to super high output pickups. For example. the Lollar Low Wind and 50' Wind are patterned after real old Gibsons. You can get extremely lush, fat juicy sounds out of low wind pickups. In fact, you're more likely to. I've found that low of "vintage" output pickup generally retain more of their character to me be it a PAF or P90. I think Pete Thorn said it best the he was designing his signature Suhr pickups trying to convince John to wind them a little lower. He said "The days of needing your guitar pickup to be really hot to push an amp are in the past, there are so many good high gain amps and boost/overdrive pedals that can do that. But you lose definition with pickups that are wound too hot..."

The Gibson stock P90's I've heard all sound really good and I would probably not touch them.
They lasted a month!
My Mate got one of the Reissue Gibson Les Paul 70's Deluxes & Its very well put together because its nothing like a 70's Les Paul.
It's a 2 piece Solid Mahogany Body, not Pancaked & 1 piece Mahogany Neck with Wings.
The only thing that lets it down are the Mini Humbuckers but we already new that as he already owns a worn out 1982 model that I purchased the following Pickups for! He has played that Guitar for 30 Years with a number of different model pickups!
He gave it to me & I put a Set of Seymourized SM-3 Mini Humbuckers & he reckons it's the best Guitar he has played.
He has a Tokai Gold Top that was given to him as an Sponsor & it had P90's & were changed out for the S.D SM-3's that I got for him.
He loves Gibson Les Pauls but doesn't like Full Size Humbuckers Ha Ha!
He is just finishing 31 shows in 35 day Tour in Germany as I write.

Here is the Guitar he got which is the same look as the 1982 he has replaced:
 
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