RobertoJL
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So, I posted a Skeptical Buffer I recently built on Reverb - naively stating it was a 29 Pedals EUNA clone. No idea Reverb will not allow mentioning brand names or models when it comes to listing clones. Ok, my bad, but I never had any issues with this until now.
A couple of days pass and I get a flag report on my listing, and it's taken down, and the following message from Jesse Honig, the man behind 29 Pedals:
"I'm sorry to have to flag this listing, but you cannot sell this as a EUNA or use my ad copy. These clones are poorly designed and do meet meet any of the EUNA specs. Also, you copied the text directly from my website. I'm sorry if Pedal PCB told you this is a correct EUNA circuit, but it is not. Thanks for your understanding."
My first response, essentially: ":..Can I ask you why can PedalPCB list and sell their Skeptical Buffer product explicitly mentioning your brand and product (literally "compare to 29 Pedals EUNA") but I cannot?"
His reply: The short reason is that the guy behind Pedal PCB has no problems stealing other people's designs, lying to players about the quality of his copies, and violating copyright law. The "compare to" tag that you refer to is the defense of counterfeit handbags and little else. Pedal PCB also runs their own platform, and as such there is no recourse but to try and take him to court, whereas reverb is a respectable platform that has a process for me to defend customers against counterfeit goods. What you are selling is a poorly executed copy of my work, and you are trying to make money by telling people that listing is the same as my pedals. It never ceases to blow my mind that a person would whip up a cheap copy of someone else's work and try to sell it as the real thing. If I copied your artwork and put it on a pedal, would you or would you not want it stopped?
And my final reply: "I understand your point of view. Also, it was my impression that electronic schematics per se could not be copyrighed, and respected industry icons such as Josh Scott have even encouraged other people do their own take on his designs etc. Furthermore - and just playing devil's advocate here - Pedal PCB only states their product is comparable to yours, not an exact reproduction. So even though I get where you're coming from and I certainly respect your views, I'm sure there are many who would think otherwise.
Anyway, I don't mean to start a discussion here, just stating the reason I (naively, I might add) posted it as such, thinking I was listing a perfectly legal product, which is what I thought I had originally purchased. Oh well, live and learn."
So, I'd love to hear any and everybody's thoughts on this very interesting subject, which I'm sure is not all black and white, is it?
A couple of days pass and I get a flag report on my listing, and it's taken down, and the following message from Jesse Honig, the man behind 29 Pedals:
"I'm sorry to have to flag this listing, but you cannot sell this as a EUNA or use my ad copy. These clones are poorly designed and do meet meet any of the EUNA specs. Also, you copied the text directly from my website. I'm sorry if Pedal PCB told you this is a correct EUNA circuit, but it is not. Thanks for your understanding."
My first response, essentially: ":..Can I ask you why can PedalPCB list and sell their Skeptical Buffer product explicitly mentioning your brand and product (literally "compare to 29 Pedals EUNA") but I cannot?"
His reply: The short reason is that the guy behind Pedal PCB has no problems stealing other people's designs, lying to players about the quality of his copies, and violating copyright law. The "compare to" tag that you refer to is the defense of counterfeit handbags and little else. Pedal PCB also runs their own platform, and as such there is no recourse but to try and take him to court, whereas reverb is a respectable platform that has a process for me to defend customers against counterfeit goods. What you are selling is a poorly executed copy of my work, and you are trying to make money by telling people that listing is the same as my pedals. It never ceases to blow my mind that a person would whip up a cheap copy of someone else's work and try to sell it as the real thing. If I copied your artwork and put it on a pedal, would you or would you not want it stopped?
And my final reply: "I understand your point of view. Also, it was my impression that electronic schematics per se could not be copyrighed, and respected industry icons such as Josh Scott have even encouraged other people do their own take on his designs etc. Furthermore - and just playing devil's advocate here - Pedal PCB only states their product is comparable to yours, not an exact reproduction. So even though I get where you're coming from and I certainly respect your views, I'm sure there are many who would think otherwise.
Anyway, I don't mean to start a discussion here, just stating the reason I (naively, I might add) posted it as such, thinking I was listing a perfectly legal product, which is what I thought I had originally purchased. Oh well, live and learn."
So, I'd love to hear any and everybody's thoughts on this very interesting subject, which I'm sure is not all black and white, is it?
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