Taxes and import duties going crazy in Germany??

Riccardo Turacchio

Riccardo Turacchio

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Hi guys
The 26 of Feb I made an order to Tayda
The package was 153.65$ shipping with DHL included
Apart from being super disappointed with their service
....they wrote me an email in which I had to explain what these integrated circuits were and what for and ,only that, took 4 days... because at the end they even asked for the datasheets....jeez... anyway
I just received a notification from DHL, that to release the package now I have to pay 84.13€ for import duties & taxes!!!
Isn't a bit too much? Or something changed recently that I'm not aware of??
Please
 
You can read about the German tariffs and taxes here:

Internetbestellungen

www.zoll.de www.zoll.de

You have to pay 19% sales tax in every case, but if your order including transportation is more 150 Euro you have to pay tariffs on top.
 
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There's also this...

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Thread 'PSA: DHL new extra charges'

So I put in an Tayda order last sunday. As I always do, I picked DHL. They were never cheap, but very reliable so I've always been willing to pay their 19$+ brokerage fees. However on my last order I have a new line item I had never seen before:

Excess line fee charge: 52$

WTF !!!!

Anyone had that before ? I'm currently talking with accounting to understand what that is.
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hamerfan said:
Next time better read the German tariffs before ordering.

Internetbestellungen

www.zoll.de www.zoll.de

You have to pay 19% sales tax in every case, but if your order including transportation is more 150 Euro you have to pay tariffs on top.
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Haven't kept up with the tarrif nonsense all too well. But is every country punishing every country nowadays? Thought this was just a versus the US thing...
 
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Did you not choose the DHL Express option with delivery duties paid? There shouldn't be any surprise fees with that and if there are someone must have made a mistake either at Tayda or at DHL.
 
Riccardo Turacchio said:
Wasn't available for Germany on the 26 of Feb.
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Oh, okay. If you order many different types of products then at some point DHL will add an extra 5 € I believe per item line on the customs form. That may explain the higher than usual fees. I'd also double check this isn't some phishing site though. I've never had a regular non-Express DHL parcel get here in less than a week from Thailand.
 
lowpitch said:
Oh, okay. If you order many different types of products then at some point DHL will add an extra 5 € I believe per item line on the customs form. That may explain the higher than usual fees. I'd also double check this isn't some phishing site though. I've never had a regular non-Express DHL parcel get here in less than a week from Thailand.
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This order was a nightmare they started "their procedure" on the 27 of Feb that the package was still flying over Barhain
I had to explain for 4 days via email (no way to solve this with a phonecall)what was inside the box, IC chips that were inside and for what, what lighting ( that's how Ugo declared the Leds)and hardware or hand tools (a manual drill bit for aluminium) and what I was doing with these articles....I mean, this was some guy from DHL....felt almost like a police interview...and apparently they have the authority to do that....pfff....the world Is going banana...time to be a fucking raging gorilla...maybe??
 
lowpitch said:
Oh, okay. If you order many different types of products then at some point DHL will add an extra 5 € I believe per item line on the customs form. That may explain the higher than usual fees. I'd also double check this isn't some phishing site though. I've never had a regular non-Express DHL parcel get here in less than a week from Thailand.
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Ah, that would explain a lot. If Tayda declares just ‚electronic parts‘ it would make only 5 Euro.

How may items did you order?
 
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Yeah, sorry mate. It's a tough one. I assume the process is the same with customs in any country, but there's a business for it in Germany.

You gotta declare the goods with a customs code (HS code). If the sender doesn't do it, then you can do it manually, or the carrier can do it on your behalf (and charge you for it). Declaring it manually is hard to find, and the carrier never makes it easy for you to do it (because they make money from it). DHL will do a number of line items for free, then start charging you.

The line items are the total number of different HS codes AFAIK. So if you have a lot of items in different categories, then it adds up. Ie. only resistors would be a single line item.

Solutions:
  1. Find a supplier who declares on your behalf. I only use Tayda for pots now, for this exact reason. LCSC for everything else.
  2. Self declare before you accept DHL to do it for you (read the fine print).
  3. Pay DHL.
In the current case, you are importing goods from outside the country and DHL is helping you to get it through customs.
 
Well I had to declare what the items were before the package even reached Germany
But electronic parts all falls to hs85 I think....maybe only the hand tool, one piece anyway, that maybe goes in some other category but shouldn't be more than 5€ the rest in fact it's all considered 0% duties
So if DHL like to make a business with it than with Tayda for Germany there's only ups left....but I don't think they would be cheaper
So at this point do declaration on your own before they do it for you Is the only solution with this bloodsuckerz..need to figure out how
 
Aentons said:
All this collecting more money after something has already shipped is just about the worst system I can imagine.
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It's called "scratching the bottom"....I think I will probably be forced to pay this amount....they will find their way to explain why is that or ship the package back..
If I could shit money I would go to Leipzig where DHL is holding my package and pay them cash straight out of my ass
Or maybe just stop using them at least here in Germany....it used to be so much better when Tayda was still using Thai post
 
hamerfan said:
Ah, that would explain a lot. If Tayda declares just ‚electronic parts‘ it would make only 5 Euro.

How may items did you order?
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Everything goes under HS85, electronic parts, subject to 0% duty...only one manual drill bit, declared as hand tool, but anyway is one piece, let's say 5€? And the rest?
 
Maybe they declared every item position separately with identical HS numbers. I think i have read that here before.
 
I'm in the USA and I was looking at buying something on thomannmusic.com, which ships from Germany, the other day and it was listed way less than anywhere else. They had a link to some disclaimers about double checking for tarrifs and fees. It led me to one of the online tarrifs calculators and it said there would be a "Merchandise Processing Fee (MPF)" with a minimum of $35. I'm not sure if that's just a German thing or what.
 
In the before times, I ordered from Thomann (and various other German and UK vendors) to the US several times. No weird fees ever.
Nowadays, who knows?

The De Minimus exemption is likely gone for good, regardless of what happens with the rest of Tariffmania…😢

Generally, shipping via the actual public national postal carriers is cheaper and more predictable, if not necessarily faster.
 
Well I just had the delivery guy at my door with my package and the rechnung/invoice
And I think I see where all this costs are going
They calculated 12 different type of items....even if eventually it was all electronic parts so falling under the same HS85
Then the hand tool was let's say another category.....but it would 5€ for that and not 41.65€ they are asking now....
So I didn't payed and probably they will send the package back....
I think I will need to write to Ugo and see if we can figure out a solution
 

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