Well ya learn something new every day - thanks Mr Psionic!

HamishR

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I was just watching some Psionic Audio videos, and in particular one where he checks the bias on a cheap Vox Ac10 (?). Ha made a comment along the lines of having bias on one of these EL84 cathode biased amps at around 110-120% of plate dissipation seemed to be the sweet spot.

This has always confused me. I have been biasing my amps to around 60% because mostly they're fixed bias and I can't really hear much difference between the internationally decreed default setting of 70% and 60%, and setting it cooler apparently helps prolong tube life. So in a fixed bias amp I love the sound of 60% bias.

But in cathode-biased amps it always sounded good but never did the amp break-up in the fabled way. I recently tried a Clark 5E3 and the way it broke up was what I wanted from my 5E3s, but mine always had crazy headroom. I have lowered the values of various caps here and there in my 5E3s to reduce the ridiculous amounts of low end a 5E3 traditionally has. Great pedal platforms, classic sounds, beautiful clarity but not the traditional Deluxe break-up. I didn't have my meter to check voltages but the Clark did have a 270ohm cathode resistor.

So after hearing what Mr Psionic had to say I tried a 270ohm cathode resistor in my latest 5E3, which meant that it was biased at a smidge over 100%. THERE WAS THAT SOUND! And even if I cleaned the amp up by reducing volume to around 3 I could still get a very similar sound if I used the Hudson Broadcast clone I just built. Fab!

So then I tried a smaller cathode resistor in my over-built 5E3 - Mercury Magnetics Fatstack PT, 22µF filter caps, choke... so now it's biased at between 110-120% and it sounds incredible. It's the 5E3 of my dreams!

Thing is there is none of the weirdness that you get with too high a bias voltage in a fixed-bias amp. If anything the amps seems happier with the smaller bias resistor. There's no excess noise or hum, no nasty brittleness, nothing.

So I will monitor the tubes over the next few months and see how they go. You know how it feels when something clicks and you finally achieve something great? I am hoping that's the feeling I have right now!
 
Actually I just checked the data for a JJ 6V6 which states that they are rated at 14W, not 12W, so my bias is not quite as hot as I thought. All the better! Now they're both below 100% but sound fab.
 
I just discovered the Psionic Audio channel last week. I find his easy-going voice relaxing, and his dry wit hilarious. He definitely knows his stuff. Almost makes me want to get a tube amp…almost.
 
I really enjoy his channel @HamishR
It definitely gets me inspired to learn more bout building amps but I don't have time to build all the pedals I want to, let alone adding amps into the equation at the moment.
 
Now that I have done more research, Rob Robinette says that while 70% is the cutoff point for safely biasing fixed bias amps, with cathode bias it's 100%. I'm not sure where he gets his info from but he has a heap of vacuum tube reference books listed as references. (appropriately I guess)

So now that I have recalculated bias, using a plate-to-cathode reading and voltage drop across the cathode transistor I have worked out that the higher biased amp is running 13W per tube which are rated at 14W, so within the 100%. And man oh man it sounds good... Pushed with a Tony Iommi Boost (Dark Esbat) it sounds incredible, although it doesn't really need it. I've tried a few various boosters and ODs and everything sounds great. But with my Les Paul I only need to run volume at 4 for it to chirp beautifully and sustain like crazy.

And yes, @JamieJ he is quite inspiring, in his own downbeat, dry witted way. His comments on grounding are really interesting too. He seems to come from a background of experience rather than theory. FWIW if you get to build your own amp then you might not need to build so many pedals!
 
Now that I have done more research, Rob Robinette says that while 70% is the cutoff point for safely biasing fixed bias amps, with cathode bias it's 100%. I'm not sure where he gets his info from but he has a heap of vacuum tube reference books listed as references. (appropriately I guess)

So now that I have recalculated bias, using a plate-to-cathode reading and voltage drop across the cathode transistor I have worked out that the higher biased amp is running 13W per tube which are rated at 14W, so within the 100%. And man oh man it sounds good... Pushed with a Tony Iommi Boost (Dark Esbat) it sounds incredible, although it doesn't really need it. I've tried a few various boosters and ODs and everything sounds great. But with my Les Paul I only need to run volume at 4 for it to chirp beautifully and sustain like crazy.

And yes, @JamieJ he is quite inspiring, in his own downbeat, dry witted way. His comments on grounding are really interesting too. He seems to come from a background of experience rather than theory. FWIW if you get to build your own amp then you might not need to build so many pedals!
I think also that 70% on a fixed bias amp is pushing it. I've burned throw newer production tubes at that bias. Even on the NOS Mullards I have I tend to bias closer to 60% or so.
 
Yeah I tend to bias at around 60% too with fixed bias. I don't hear any benefits at 70% so figure why not let the tubes last longer?
 
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