NGD! (Warning P90 content....)

MichaelW

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Ok so here's a pic....it's a Tele, and it's got P90's. Nuff said, the rest is TL;DR in you're interested:)

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TL;DR.....

So this project started out as a bit of an experiment. I don't have a lot of experience routing pickup cavities or more correctly, "over-routing" pickup cavities.
So I think it was during the Memorial Day sale, I bought an inexpensive GuitarFetish XPG body that was routed for Filtertrons. My plan was to over-route them to P90's as the width is "supposed to be" the same. I figured if I totally screwed the pooch it wouldn't be too painful. I think I paid $90 shipped for the body.

Also, as one who has a strong character defect of not taking responsibility for his own actions....I'm gonna blame this project on @Harry Klippton who posted a pic of his P90 Les Paul and @thewintersoldier who posted a pic of his Tele....on the same day! I have a weakness for both tele's and P90's....so this turned into a mashup of both. (Ok, so seriously I was inspired by a Nash Tele w/P90's I saw on Reverb but I don't have $2300 to drop on it at the moment) Harry and Chris are off the hook:)

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So first off, the GFS XPG body. I was actually very pleasantly surprised how well made it is. I was kinda expecting a typical asian made body glopped with tons of finish. Turns out it's a very resonant, lightweight piece of Poplar and a very thin polyurethane finish that was very well painted. The shape, radii, etc are all spot on for a USA spec Tele body. I would say it's AT LEAST as good as the aftermarket Fender Mexican bodies that you can get, for about 1/3rd the price. I was so impressed that I ordered an alder Strat body in Candy Apple Red for a future project. Neck pockets are perfectly cut. No, it's not a Warmoth, but it's pretty darn nice. I'd be proud to rock it on any build and put the money saved into pickups.

My over-route worked out well and only a tiny bit of edge of the original route showing.

So with that success I went ahead and ordered the rest of the parts for the build.

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I went with the Lollar P90's. I have to admit I'm a huge Lollar fanboy....there's not much Jason makes that I don't like. I've got his pickups in my Tele's, my Strat and also in my Eastman. For this project, I went with the "50's Wind" for the neck and Standard wind for the bridge.

For the neck I decided to use an ALLPARTS TRO-C neck. I read a rumor (on TGP so it MUST be true, right??!!!:)) that Bill Nash uses Allparts necks as his base for his builds. I absolutely LOVE the neck on my Nash Tele and the spec's seem to match the Allparts TRO-C so I took a chance and ordered it.
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It's a nice neck but it needed some work. Again, not a Warmoth but it came with a nice rosewood slab fingerboard with some nice figuring.
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For the bridge I decided to cut my own "Shorty" since I wasn't quite sure how an off the shelf one would fit with the P90. Turns out I could have used a regular shorty but I already got this one. It's a Fender branded "vintage style" bridge plate with no saddles. I cut it down to fit with a hacksaw then filed and sanded the edges.
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I decided to shield the cavities with shielding paint. I've never used the MG nickel paint before. I was surprised it wasn't black. But it does the job nicely.
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Onto the fingerboard....the rosewood needed some sanding, and I usually do that with a razor blade. I also like to "roll" my fingerboard edges which I also do with a razor blade, then hit it with some micro mesh.

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You can see that the fret ends need some work as well, which I'll get to later. Continued in next post.......
 
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Ok so here's a pic....it's a Tele, and it's got P90's. Nuff said, the rest is TL;DR in you're interested:)

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TL;DR.....

So this project started out as a bit of an experiment. I don't have a lot of experience routing pickup cavities or more correctly, "over-routing" pickup cavities.
So I think it was during the Memorial Day sale, I bought an inexpensive GuitarFetish XPG body that was routed for Filtertrons. My plan was to over-route them to P90's as the width is "supposed to be" the same. I figured if I totally screwed the pooch it wouldn't be too painful. I think I paid $90 shipped for the body.

Also, as one who has a strong character defect of taking responsibility for his own actions....I'm gonna blame this project on @Harry Klippton who posted a pic of his P90 Les Paul and @thewintersoldier who posted a pic of his Tele....on the same day! I have a weakness for both tele's and P90's....so this turned into a mashup of both. (Ok, so seriously I was inspired by a Nash Tele w/P90's I saw on Reverb but I don't have $2300 to drop on it at the moment) Harry and Chris are off the hook:)

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So first off, the GFS XPG body. I was actually very pleasantly surprised how well made it is. I was kinda expecting a typical asian made body glopped with tons of finish. Turns out it's a very resonant, lightweight piece of Poplar and a very thin polyurethane finish that was very well painted. The shape, radii, etc are all spot on for a USA spec Tele body. I would say it's AT LEAST as good as the aftermarket Fender Mexican bodies that you can get, for about 1/3rd the price. I was so impressed that I ordered an alder Strat body in Candy Apple Red for a future project. Neck pockets are perfectly cut. No, it's not a Warmoth, but it's pretty darn nice. I'd be proud to rock it on any build and put the money saved into pickups.

My over-route worked out well and only a tiny bit of edge of the original route showing.

So with that success I went ahead and ordered the rest of the parts for the build.

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I went with the Lollar P90's. I have to admit I'm a huge Lollar fanboy....there's not much Jason makes that I don't like. I've got his pickups in my Tele's, my Strat and also in my Eastman. For this project, I went with the "50's Wind" for the neck and Standard wind for the bridge.

For the neck I decided to use an ALLPARTS TRO-C neck. I read a rumor (on TGP so it MUST be true, right??!!!:)) that Bill Nash uses Allparts necks as his base for his builds. I absolutely LOVE the neck on my Nash Tele and the spec's seem to match the Allparts TRO-C so I took a chance and ordered it.
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It's a nice neck but it needed some work. Again, not a Warmoth but it came with a nice rosewood slab fingerboard with some nice figuring.
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For the bridge I decided to cut my own "Shorty" since I wasn't quite sure how an off the shelf one would fit with the P90. Turns out I could have used a regular shorty but I already got this one. It's a Fender branded "vintage style" bridge plate with no saddles. I cut it down to fit with a hacksaw then filed and sanded the edges.
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I decided to shield the cavities with shielding paint. I've never used the MG nickel paint before. I was surprised it wasn't black. But it does the job nicely.
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Onto the fingerboard....the rosewood needed some sanding, and I usually do that with a razor blade. I also like to "roll" my fingerboard edges which I also do with a razor blade, then hit it with some micro mesh.

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You can see that the fret ends need some work as well, which I'll get to later. Continued in next post.......


Frets needed leveling....no way around that. The only aftermarket necks that I can generally get away with not needing to level are Warmoth necks. (Can you tell I'm a Warmoth fan? Just not a fan of their prices......)

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Crowning the frets after leveling....More of my "love/hate" relationship with StewMac. Their tools are stupid expensive as is their shipping.....but.....it's a lifetime investment. I absolutely love these "Z" shaped fret crowning files.

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Crowned and ready to dress the fret ends.....
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Usually what I do after crowning is use successive grits of micro mesh to polish the frets starting with 1800 grit and working up to 12000 grit. (I like a high polish on my frets). But I decided to try a hack that I saw on YouTube. After doing two passes with micromesh up to 2400 grit I used my Dremel with a felt polishing and some rouge and took it the rest of the way. Man that was a huge time saver! The end result was fabulous.

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I used 4 coats of Danish oil on both the neck and the fingerboard with some 0000 mesh pads in between coats. While the last coat was drying I started on the electronics.

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The pic above show CTS pots, which I tried to use initially. But the shafts were just a bit too short to make it through the body. I wound up swapping them out for a pair of Bourns 500k pots. Not my favorite because they're a little too easy to turn, but sonically they work as well as the CTS pots.
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Super tight fit getting everything in there. Hard not to be messy with the solder grounds on the pots. I wound up using a .033 Russian PIO cap that I had on hand. Not sure if it will stay or not. I need to play it some more.

Body done and ready for the neck....continued in next post......
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Frets needed leveling....no way around that. The only aftermarket necks that I can generally get away with not needing to level are Warmoth necks. (Can you tell I'm a Warmoth fan? Just not a fan of their prices......)

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Crowning the frets after leveling....More of my "love/hate" relationship with StewMac. Their tools are stupid expensive as is their shipping.....but.....it's a lifetime investment. I absolutely love these "Z" shaped fret crowning files.

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Crowned and ready to dress the fret ends.....
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I usually what I do after crowning is use successive grits of micro mesh to polish the frets starting with 1800 grit and working up to 12000 grit. (I like a high polish on my frets). But I decided to try a hack that I saw on YouTube. After doing two passes with micromesh up to 2400 grit I used my Dremel with a felt polishing and some rouge and took it the rest of the way. Man that was a huge time saver! The end result was fabulous.

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I used 4 coats of Danish oil on both the neck and the fingerboard with some 0000 mesh pads in between coats. While the last coat was drying I started on the electronics.

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The pic above show CTS pots, which I tried to use initially. But the shafts were just a bit too short to make it through the body. I wound up swapping them out for a pair of Bourns 500k pots. Not my favorite because they're a little too easy to turn, but sonically they work as well as the CTS pots.
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Super tight fit getting everything in there. Hard not to be messy with the solder grounds on the pots. I wound up using a .0033 Russian PIO cap that I had on hand. Not sure if it will stay or not. I need to play it some more.

Body done and ready for the neck....continued in next post......
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I like Danish Oil over tung oil for maple necks but this is the first time I've used Danish Oil on the fingerboard itself. But I read a post by Terry Mcinturff somewhere where he said that's what his does with his rosewood FB guitars. I've owned a couple of Mcinturff's in the distant history and love the feel of his guitars. So I gave it a shot. After the Danish Oil dried I gave everything a couple coats of Dr. Duck's Ax Wax...
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...Then buffed the snot out of the fingerboard.....

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It turned out really nice. I like the feel of the board. Here's a shot of the finished neck, frets leveled, crowned, fret ends dressed, fingerboard rolled, smooth as a baby's bottom.

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Cutting the nut...
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Not too happy with how the headstock came out. My color printer decided to crap out on me so I could not print a logo decal. Wound up using an extra that I actually made for a pedal. Looks a wee bit small on this headstock. Also, I was trying to get an "worn" look to the headstock. I think I managed to get that with the finish but it did not occur to me that the wood itself looks too "in the white" to be "worn". If I'd thought of it, I would have used a bit of tint in the finish. Also, I was drawing a blank on what to call this model. "90Caster" was the best I could come up with.

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Having said that, this turned out to be probably my best fretwork I've done yet. Super happy with the level, crown, dressing and polish. It plays like a dream.

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I've played it a bit but it needs to sit under tension for a day or so then some final set up tweaks.

Joining the family here:
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Ok some things I don't like about this guitar:

As mentioned, not super happy with the headstock logo. Also, not keen on how they drilled the controls with the toggle in between the pots.
I would have put the toggle in the rear but it was already drilled so I didn't have the option.

Not too happy with the Bourn's pots. As mentioned, they don't have enough friction, really easy to bump them. Not sure if I'm going to learn to live with them or order some longer shaft CTS pots.

Things I like:
Holy crap it sounds awesome. The 50's wind P90 in the neck pairs nicely with the hotter bridge pickup. It's a bit more open, airy and "single coil"-ey. While the bridge pickup snarls like a pissed off badger. I wasn't sure what to expect with the poplar body and longer scale but it's definitely got a bit of the "LP Special" vibe to it. But in a Tele package.

I LOVE the way it plays, very happy with the Allparts neck. The C shaped profile and the quality of the rosewood are tops. It took a bit of extra work but it was way cheaper than ordering a Warmoth. The 10" radius suits me very well and the "Vintage/Tall" frets are my preferred frets.

Once I get everything dialed in I'll try to post some demo clips with whatever next pedal I'm building.
 
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I like Danish Oil over tung oil for maple necks but this is the first time I've used Danish Oil on the fingerboard itself. But I read a post by Terry Mcinturff somewhere where he said that's what his does with his rosewood FB guitars. I've owned a couple of Mcinturff's in the distant history and love the feel of his guitars. So I gave it a shot. After the Danish Oil dried I gave everything a couple coats of Dr. Duck's Ax Wax...
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...Then buffed the snot out of the fingerboard.....

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It turned out really nice. I like the feel of the board. Here's a shot of the finished neck, frets leveled, crowned, fret ends dressed, fingerboard rolled, smooth as a baby's bottom.

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Cutting the nut...
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Not too happy with how the headstock came out. My color printer decided to crap out on me so I could not print a logo decal. Wound up using an extra that I actually made for a pedal. Looks a wee bit small on this headstock. Also, I was trying to get an "worn" look to the headstock. I think I managed to get that with the finish but it did not occur to me that the wood itself looks too "in the white" to be "worn". If I'd thought of it, I would have used a bit of tint in the finish. Also, I was drawing a blank on what to call this model. "90Caster" was the best I could come up with.

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Having said that, this turned out to be probably my best fretwork I've done yet. Super happy with the level, crown, dressing and polish. It plays like a dream.

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I've played it a bit but it needs to sit under tension for a day or so then some final set up tweaks.

Joining the family here:
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Ok some things I don't like about this guitar:

As mentioned, not super happy with the headstock logo. Also, not keen on how they drilled the controls with the toggle in between the pots.
I would have put the toggle in the rear but it was already drilled so I didn't have the option.

Not too happy with the Bourn's pots. As mentioned, they don't have enough friction, really easy to bump them. Not sure if I'm going to learn to live with them or order some longer shaft CTS pots.

Things I like:
Holy crap it sounds awesome. The 50's wind P90 in the neck pairs nicely with the hotter bridge pickup. It's a bit more open, airy and "single coil"-ey. While the bridge pickup snarls like a pissed off badger. I wasn't sure what to expect with the poplar body and longer scale but it's definitely got a bit of the "LP Special" vibe to it. But in a Tele package.

I LOVE the way it plays, very happy with the Allparts neck. The C shaped profile and the quality of the rosewood are tops. It took a bit of extra work but it was way cheaper than ordering a Warmoth. The 10" radius suits me very well and the "Vintage/Tall" frets are my preferred frets.

Once I get everything dialed in I'll try to post some demo clips with whatever next pedal I'm building.
Dude that is Amazing!!!
I’ve heard really really good things about these pots… i haven’t tried them yet… but with something that nice it might be something to consider…
Awesome work!!!


 
Nice! Couldn't you just plug, redrill, and trade the switch placement with one of the pots? Still too cramped maybe?
I thought about just using a set of washers to mount the tone control in the larger toggle hole but decided against it. Looking at some of the Fender Cabronita's they usually only have 1 control plus the toggle. I guess GFS decided to copy that arrangement but add a second tone control hole behind the toggle. To be honest, the more I play it the more natural it feels, the toggle falls under my picking hand nicely when I stroke down.
 
Most excellent and thnaks for the detailed write up and photos! What a spiffin guitar it became!
What's the nut slot file, where's that from? Cheers!
That's a MusicNomad nut slot file I got off Amazon. I have a set of Stew Mac files but missing a 13 and a 10. I bought the Stew Mac files when I was doing a lot more set up work on acoustics. I decided to try the cheaper Amazon ones and have been pretty impressed with them. They work well for the occasional nut work (which is me) but I would not recommend them for someone that cuts a lot of nuts.
 
Dude that is Amazing!!!
I’ve heard really really good things about these pots… i haven’t tried them yet… but with something that nice it might be something to consider…
Awesome work!!!


I've seen these "Vintage Inspired Pots" but never knew what they were about. I've been pretty happy with plain old US made CTS pots for most of my guitar upgrades and usually get the Art of Tone version of the 450G pots. In fact, I'm not even sure why I have the Bourn's pots. But they were in my "big box guitar o' bit and pieces" never used. :) I'm glad they were! But yah I suppose their claim to fame is the low friction performance. It's a bit TOO low friction for my tastes.
 
Inspirational as always. Love P-90s

Need to finish butchering building my Tele, then learn how to play it... Different pups going in mine, but ... hmmm... another parts-guitar build in mind, I'll call mine the

"TP"
 
Beautiful work man and honestly every time I go and buy a new guitar I just keep coming back to my tele. Makes me want to just get a deluxe HH, p90 version and one of those tele baritones and call it a day!
 
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