Kinman Strat pickups

HamishR

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I've had a CS Journeyman Strat for a good while now and have had a bit of a love/hate relationship with it, as I usually do with Strats. I love the airy highs and and overtones you get when using a bit of dirt, some delay and the whammy bar, but get really tired of the noise and the lack of grunt. The Journeyman Strat has a pretty decent bridge pickup - the set is signed Josefina on the back. The neck pickup is just ok - a bit dark.

So I finally bit the bullet and bought a set of Kinman Woodstocks for it. I was a bit nervous because I did like the stock pickups, the Kinmans are stupid expensive and his copy on the website is cringey. The website in general is cringey! But I had tried Woodstocks a long time ago when they first became available and liked them. These Woodstocks are a new version and the bridge pickup is automatically more powerful - they don't do a "standard" set any more. So I was worried the bridge pickup might have been too obnoxiously powerful.

Well I'm still getting used to the new Woodstocks but they seem very good. The neck pickup is fantastic - a huge improvement. It's warm and woody but still bright and clear enough to be extremely useful. I can see myself actually using it a lot for jump blues T-Bone Walker kinda stuff. The bridge pickup is slowly endearing itself to me. It's not too powerful at all, but has a great midrange for that howling sound with a little gain. It still sounds plenty Stratty but not irritatingly thin. The in-between sounds are fine, but I rarely use them. I feel I'd want to add some brightness somewhere if I was to use them clean at all.

The astounding thing which I had forgotten is just how quiet they are. There is some guitar noise if you use a lot of gain; noise which disappears if you roll down the volume on the guitar. I suspect it's not the pickups but the wiring between the pickups because I haven't shielded the guitar. It's the same amount of noise I get with a Les Paul or any other HB guitar, so nothing which really bothers me. The other thing I notice is how much easier the guitar feels. There is no pull from the pickup magnets which makes the whole guitar feel silkier and freer - hard to describe, but really cool. No Stratitis at the top of the neck either.

So overall I am delighted with the new Kinmans. They have actually exceeded expectation and i can't stop playing the Strat. I'm not really a typical Strat player but this is way more fun than a typical Strat. The pickups respond to every criticism you might have about regular Strat pickups and actually improve the feel of the guitar, so that's no small feat. I just don't want to amplify that because Kinman has already rammed it down our throats!

If you want some Strat pickups which will work ridiculously well with effects these are them. Even without effects these are them. I'm getting more chunk from a SC Strat than I ever have before. But I still have the airiness and gorgeous overtones. If anything these new pickups are slightly brighter than the stock CS pickups. Crazy!

Anyone else tried Kinmans?
 
There are different ways to skin a cat. With a friend I worked on his strats over the years. We ended using emg’s first with his main stage strat and later on with Kinmans. This gives him a quiet sound with all his pedals into a marshall on stages. His second strat has standard pickups with full copper shielding, which still works great for songs without stacking distortion pedals.
 
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I don't understand what Stratitis is. I have a Strat. What is it?

As for noise, it always decreases when you roll back the volume. Shielding eliminates the buzz you hear when you don't touch the strings. All Fenders, including P basses, have loads of it and it goes away 100% with shielding. Unless it's a highly valuable guitar, I shield it.
Shielding of course will do nothing to reduce single coil hum. However I noticed that an aluminum pickguard can help a bit in that regard, probably because of the large metal mass.

I looked into Kinmans when I got a guitar with a P90 because the single coil hum was unbearable. I've fixed the issue by raising the pickup. I didn't know that the hum would stay at the same level regardless of pickup height. So now with the guitar much louder than before, hum is not a big issue anymore.

Anyway the Kinman website was so cringeworthy I decided never to purchase any pickups from them, despite their reputation.
 
stratitis has nothing to do with noise. It just dampens the sound of the guitar by the magnetic power of the pickups. The stronger the magnetic field is and the nearer the pickup is to the neck, the more you hear the effect of damping the bass strings (more mass!). If you have magnets as pole pieces like in strats its more pronounced than with a PAF humbucker.
I own a special Les Paul guitar which can load the pickup from behind in a second. If i pull the neck pickup, the sound on the bridge pickups becomes louder and clearer - even with humbuckers. So Stratitis exists also in Les Paul guitars but to a lower extent.
 
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I took the copper shielding out of my strat, I found it had been robbing some high end that I really liked. It's noisy into my Marshall at a gig but I keep the volume down when I'm not playing and it's not a problem. You don't notice any noise when I'm playing anyway. I've still got the regular aluminium shielding plate under the scratchplate, it's the copper shielding I installed in the pickups routes I took out.

I tend to run my amp and pedals hotter when using the strat vs my tele or prs. It's slowly become my main gigging guitar over the last year. I use a set of Mojo special strat Pickups, 42 gauge heavy formvar 5.8k neck, 6k middle and 6.8k bridge. Alnico iii magnets in all of them.
 
Yeah you pretty much have to run things a little hotter with a Strat. I do find Strats harder to dial in than most guitars. Right now I'm really liking a modded Thorpy the Dane with the Strat. I modded it to have a bass pot which is really handy with the Strat.

I mainly use the Strat for things with delay and some overdrive - rarely clean. So the quietness of the Kinmans is lovely. I have wondered about shielding the guitar but (a) I have heard that it can reduce brightness and (b) I can't be bothered! The amount of noise from the control cavity is not a huge concern.

@andare I have a couple of P90 guitars and yes, raising the P90s up quite high is key to getting both the best signal-to-noise ratio out of them but also a great full blooded sound IME. I bought a bunch of various height dogear P90 spacers from Lollar so that I can get my P90s where I want them. It made a huge difference with the ES-225.
 
Yeah you pretty much have to run things a little hotter with a Strat. I do find Strats harder to dial in than most guitars. Right now I'm really liking a modded Thorpy the Dane with the Strat. I modded it to have a bass pot which is really handy with the Strat.

I mainly use the Strat for things with delay and some overdrive - rarely clean. So the quietness of the Kinmans is lovely. I have wondered about shielding the guitar but (a) I have heard that it can reduce brightness and (b) I can't be bothered! The amount of noise from the control cavity is not a huge concern.

@andare I have a couple of P90 guitars and yes, raising the P90s up quite high is key to getting both the best signal-to-noise ratio out of them but also a great full blooded sound IME. I bought a bunch of various height dogear P90 spacers from Lollar so that I can get my P90s where I want them. It made a huge difference with the ES-225.
The Lollar shims is what I bought. Spendy but absolutely necessary to take my Coronet from noisy mush to aggressive snarl with less hum.

I didn;t notice any loss of treble when I shielded my Strat but I didn't do an A/B test. Seems fine to me. I enjoy not having buzz. My recently acquired VIntera II P bass was particularly noisy until I shielded it. I could hear the buzz when playing open strings or moving positions. I guess my flat is noisy but some of the venues are have such bad wiring that single coil hum can be louder than the notes. No remedy for that other than hum cancelling pikcup combos but atl east shielding gets rid of every other noise.

My P90 Coronet is not shielded and it doesn't even need it. There's very little additional noise on top of single coil hum. I wonder why Fenders are so much buzzier.
 
My guess is that the backplate of a P90, the magnets (alnicos are conductive) and pole crews are grounded and act as a partial shield.
 
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My guess is that the backplate of a P90, the magnets (alnicos are conductive) and pole crews are grounded and act as a partial shield.
I checked and only the pole piece under the high E is grounded. Also the bottom pickup screw. Weird.
 
I mainly use the Strat for things with delay and some overdrive - rarely clean. So the quietness of the Kinmans is lovely. I have wondered about shielding the guitar but (a) I have heard that it can reduce brightness and (b) I can't be bothered! The amount of noise from the control cavity is not a huge concern.

I was surprised at how much high end I got back after removing the shielding tbh.
 
I hear this a lot.

Oh well, I'm happy with both the amount of high end I am getting from these Kinmans and the amount of noise. :cool: Not sure I could go back to regular single coil Strat pickups now. I hated the Mojo Quiet Coil Strat pickups - just awful. These are an entirely different story.
 
I had no idea about the P90 trick. Good to know. My P90 guitar had an incredibly loud hum in my old apartment. Then we moved and redid the electrical in the new place. I now have a music room with its own dedicated breaker. The P90 guitar still has the loudest hum of my other single coil guitars but it’s much much more reasonable to the point that it doesn’t bother me most of the time. So I wonder if you guys experienced similar variability in the hum level?
 
I had no idea about the P90 trick. Good to know. My P90 guitar had an incredibly loud hum in my old apartment. Then we moved and redid the electrical in the new place. I now have a music room with its own dedicated breaker. The P90 guitar still has the loudest hum of my other single coil guitars but it’s much much more reasonable to the point that it doesn’t bother me most of the time. So I wonder if you guys experienced similar variability in the hum level?
I used to play a venue where single coil hum was as loud as the notes. Just awful.
A bridge P90 must be within 3mm of the strings to produce the typical snarl. It will be so hot and loud that the hum will be very quiet in comparison.
 
I used to play a venue where single coil hum was as loud as the notes. Just awful.
A bridge P90 must be within 3mm of the strings to produce the typical snarl. It will be so hot and loud that the hum will be very quiet in comparison.

There's one venue we play in Belfast that I have to use my prs. The noise with my tele or strat makes them completely unusable, my wah also picks up Belfast City Beat radio there! If it wasn't such a busy venue we'd just refuse to play there so I've ended up using humbuckers with no wah or fuzz for those gigs.
 
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