Muzzle NG versus Zuul NG

[guitarbruno76]

Hi to all,
I' ve got the Muzzle noise gate from Musikding, a good one.
For some reason, I prefer to avoid the FX loop of my amp , cause adding too much jack cables in the circuit...
So I'd like to choose Fortin Zuul+ method, 4 cables with no FX loop.
When I experiment it, it doesnt work fine, I have sound, but the noise gate is too drastic! It cuts the buzzes when I use disto, but the sound is hesitant. Also when I use clean sound, the sustain is bad.
So I can only use the Muzzle, with simple option ( no side chain) or 4 cables option with FX loop of my amp.
The pedal chain with problem is:
Guitar _ Side chain in - Side chain out - All noisy pédals (wah, comp,od, dist) - Noise gate in - Noise gate out - All space and mod pedals ( chorus, reverb, delay...) - Amp.
So do you encounter same problem?
Thx to all, greetings from France.
Bruno

 

[Elijah-Baley]

I got twice a defective chips. The pedal doesn't work fine, especially with the four cable method in the FX loop, the one that should be the best. In general in the FX loop it doesn't work good at all.
I couldn't use the noise gate, because it cut hum and sound.
The first one I built the Muzzle, the one with the original chip no smd, was perfect!
The third smd chip I received worked better.

 

[guitarbruno76]

Thx a lot for replying.
Actually this noise gate is a bit tricky to assemble, I've finally choosen the enclosure BB type , bigger than 125B, but it's a better garanty to avoid issues!
However 4 cables with "yes FX Loop" works fine with my rig.
But have you tried option 4 cables with "no FX loop"?

 

[guitarbruno76]

Finally , it was the output jack of the side chain, which was in default!
4 cables method without FX loop is ok !
I've fixed it , folding the metallic pieces inside it and putting some contacts cleaner.
Hoping it works now for a long time ... but the replacement of these parts (side chain) can be done in the future, it seems fragile.
By the way, I've changed the enclosure for a 125 B, it takes obviously less space on my peadlboard!

 

[krautrooker]

Hi to all,
I' ve got the Muzzle noise gate from Musikding, a good one.
For some reason, I'd prefer to avoid the FX loop of my amp , cause adding too much jack cables in the circuit...
So I'd like to choose Fortin Zuul+ method, 4 cables with no FX loop.
When I experiment it, it doesnt work fine, I have sound, but the noise gate is too drastic! It cuts the buzzes when I use disto, but the sound is hesitant. Also when I use clean sound, the sustain is bad.
So I can only use the Muzzle, with simple option ( no side chain) or 4 cables option with FX loop of my amp.
The pedal chain with problem is:
Guitar _ Side chain in - Side chain out - All noisy pédals (wah, comp,od, dist) - Noise gate in - Noise gate out - All space and mod pedals ( chorus, reverb, delay...) - Amp.
So do you encounter same problem?
Thx to all, greetings from France. geometry dash wave
Bruno

The 4 cables don't have FX loops, right? I haven't tried this method but when using the FX loop I get a noise error. It even filters the sound making it very quiet instead of just reducing the noise. Maybe I will try your method. Hope it works better.

 

[guitarbruno76]

Hi Krautrooker,
I think you encounter the same problem like me before, although you discribe it differently...
I'm saying again, I 'm pretty in doubt with the quality of the jacks of the side chain.
I can tell too , that before I fixed these damned things, I noticed that if I pulled a little bit the jack plug (from the "out" of side chain), the Muzzle worked fine, if I pushed it to go back to first position, it sucked again... classical issue of our guitar player life!
Edit: so, why the "4 cables method WITH FX Loop" worked when I tried it on a rehearsal, instead of WITHOUT FX Loop, since I use side chain too ? But I 've made it only once, and maybe the planets were in line!...

 

[guitarbruno76]

I think I've to complete my explanation:
Actualy a link to the ground , for example the - of the 9 V of power supply (or enclosure, what you want to the ground...) , is crucial to make work the side chain circuit !
So the stereo switches wasn't really on default, but just a little piece of wire which missed!
See the pic, with added precisions , I drew the ground circuit of the side chain, that was really a pain to have these informations!!!