Branding Question

jdduffield

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I have a question around branding. I made a batch of fuzz pedals to give to some of my guitar playing friends. Several have told me it is their favorite fuzz pedal. It is a Sandspur circuit with a modification in that I brought the internal trim pots out to the front panel and changed the taper. Sounds great and looks great. When coming up with a name for it, I wanted a bee icon to represent the way it sounds and thought “Buzz Fuzz”. I ran with it without realizing that technically another “Buzz Fuzz” already exists. In fact, I think I’ve seen two companies using it.

If I were to make another batch to sell online, would that be an issue for me or is it okay to have the same name just as two different songs might have the same title? (The “look” is unique and does not resemble the others out there.)

Also, just in general, is it okay to use PPCB boards as a “part” within your own branding? Or does it need to be called “Sandspur”? Reason I ask is I see a “Kliche Mini” out there for sale on reverb, and the “look” is unique but the name of the pedal adopted the same name as the circuit board. IMG_0994.jpeg
 
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You’ll be fine, call it whatever you want as long as it doesn’t have someone else’s logo or copyrighted artwork it’s not really an issue. You’re A OK to sell using PPCB boards. It’s nice to mention it and include a gut shot but you don’t have to.
 
You’ll be fine, call it whatever you want as long as it doesn’t have someone else’s logo or copyrighted artwork it’s not really an issue. You’re A OK to sell using PPCB boards. It’s nice to mention it and include a gut shot but you don’t have to.
I would likely mention it in the description and in any printed instructions if any.
 
As an attorney practicing intellectual property law for 27 years now, I’m going to be the outlier and tell you that, yes, using the same product name as one that is already used on a very similar product is potentially asking for trouble. This is not at all the same scenario as two different songs using the same title.

When someone starts using a brand name or product name (a trademark) in commerce, they are protected against other people later coming along and using a a similar trademark on similar products. The names don’t have to be identical and the products don’t have to be identical – they just need to be similar enough that someone could complain that a customer might mistakenly buy your product thinking it was their product or made by them. I think we can all understand how if I started selling a compressor pedal with the name Kelly Compressor, Robert Keeley might have a problem with it since he has been selling a Keeley Compressor for years and people might mistakenly order my product thinking they are buying a Keeley compressor and I am therefore arguably stealing a sale from him. Ditto if I start using the "Kelly" name on other pedals, even ones that Keeley doesn't make, since someone might buy my product (say, an auto-wah) because they love their Keeley pedals and mistakenly think my auto-wah is made by the same guy who made those other pedals they love.

As a practical matter, if someone genuinely has a problem with it, you would most likely first get a demand that you cease and desist and, hopefully, if you promptly comply with that, that will be the end of it. But I’ve seen plenty of cease and desist letters that require, as part of compliance, that you tell them how much profit you have made off the sales of your goods and give them that money in order for them to agree to not file a trademark infringement lawsuit.

Obviously, depending on the specific facts at hand and the specific name that is chosen, there are more nuances and possible defenses that might apply under the law. But the general proposition that two people can use the same product name for essentially the same product without any problems is false, as that is the whole reason trademark law has existed for hundreds of years.

Just wanted to make sure the proper information is given here. I am an attorney but I am not YOUR attorney, so the information I’m giving here is purely informational and is not legal advice directed to you specifically. If you have further questions or need specific legal guidance on how to proceed, consider consulting a trademark attorney in your local area.

Mike
 
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Awesome post, mkstewartesq!


I am SO going to name my Keeley Compressor Clone (actually a MBP Kompromat) the "KELLY KOMPRESSOR" 😹. (Just the one, for my own personal use, of course).



Sometimes, the products don't even have to be related.

Like when Make'N'Music (IIRC) first started having Custom-Ordered-from-Fender Telecaster/Jazzmaster mashups back in 2005/ OR 09? — which of COURSE they called at-the-time-unique-to-their-shop the "TELEMASTER".

Unfortunately, some ... body (*neither person depicted below!) ... in the R/C-modelling hobby thought people might mistake a guitar for a model-aeroplane.
So now the TeleMaster Geetar's called something like Offsat Telefester or whatever.





You can clearly see the resemblance here and totally understand how one could be mistaken for the other:

Woman shredding on her Offset Telecaster (n)

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Bearded bloke making a low-flying pass with his R/C Telemaster. 👍










It's a wonder PRS got away with making a Less Paul clone after going to court.


Great looking pedal, @jdduffield, no matter what you end up calling it.
 
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Here’s one of the other Buzz Fuzz pedals I found … AFTER producing mine. 🤣

I’ve been spending time trying to think of other names, but finding a unique name is proving to be difficult. For example, I thought of Bumble Buzz … looked it up and sure enough there is already one out there.
 

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I think that's one of the reasons EQD is successful.

Nothing (almost nothing) from EQD is named too on the nose. In fact, most names of their pedals don't even tell you what they do. What the hell is a Dispatch Master anyway? To dispatch something... must be a kill switch or something like that. Afterneath, the follow up to the Underbefore? Some kind of down-octave sub-resonance pedal? Disaster Transport Jr... Bit Crusher?

For sure EQD pedal names won't be something some other company came up with. Buzz

So, now you've got to go check out what the hell those pedals even are, and BAM, you're hooked in. Just hope that the Palisades isn't a F$%^&* YATS — well EQD said they'd never do that, at least — THANK GOODNESS!
 
You could take inspiration from the joke name Chuck U. Farley* and name your fuzz "Buck U Fuzz".
I expect that name is not already taken.

* I've forgotten the origin of Chuck U. Farley, was it Firesign Theater? Someone will hopefully remind me...
 
Awesome post, mkstewartesq!


I am SO going to name my Keeley Compressor Clone (actually a MBP Kompromat) the "KELLY KOMPRESSOR" 😹. (Just the one, for my own personal use, of course).



Sometimes, the products don't even have to be related.

Like when Make'N'Music (IIRC) first started having Custom-Ordered-from-Fender Telecaster/Jazzmaster mashups back in 2005/ OR 09? — which of COURSE they called at-the-time-unique-to-their-shop the "TELEMASTER".

Unfortunately, some ... body (*neither person depicted below!) ... in the R/C-modelling hobby thought people might mistake a guitar for a model-aeroplane.
So now the TeleMaster Geetar's called something like Offsat Telefester or whatever.
First of all, thanks for the kind words.

With respect to the Telemaster thing, it sounds to me like either the guitar company didn’t get good legal advice or didn’t want to put the time and effort into proving itself right, because there’s no way under the law that the RC company had a legitimate claim that using the same name on a guitar was trademark infringement. The key question in trademark infringement is whether consumers are likely to be confused into thinking that both products offered under the same trademark are made by the same company. This is why whether or not the two products are related in some way matters, because consumers often believe that the manufacturer of one product will also make other products that are related to the first product (if Michelin makes tires, it's likely to make wheel rims). But no reasonable consumer is going to buy a guitar thinking it is made by an RC company, or vice versa, even if they use the exact same trademark, so there’s no likelihood of confusion and, therefore, no trademark infringement.

(For purposes of completeness: there is a separate way you can infringe a trademark, even if your products are not even remotely related, called “trademark dilution“ – but that only applies where the trademark at issue is famous nationwide and is essentially a “household name”, like, say, Coca-Cola. I’m discounting trademark dilution here because I’ve certainly never heard of the RC Telemaster and I bet the vast majority of US households haven’t either).

I think that's one of the reasons EQD is successful.

Nothing (almost nothing) from EQD is named too on the nose. In fact, most names of their pedals don't even tell you what they do. What the hell is a Dispatch Master anyway? To dispatch something... must be a kill switch or something like that. Afterneath, the follow up to the Underbefore? Some kind of down-octave sub-resonance pedal? Disaster Transport Jr... Bit Crusher?

For sure EQD pedal names won't be something some other company came up with. Buzz

This is an excellent point. Trademarks are stronger and more protectable the less they actually describe the product offered under the trademark. This is because the public actually has to think for a second to connect the trademark with what the product is, which creates a stronger brand identity, which the law protects more from infringement.

On the other hand, if a trademark merely describes what the product does, the law doesn’t even really protect it as a trademark, because the public won't rely on that descriptive term to choose between two competing products. If I'm looking to buy Mac n Cheese and I see Kraft Mac n Cheese and Annie's Mac n Cheese on the shelf, I'm going to disregard the "Mac n Cheese" part and buy based on whether I prefer the stuff that has "Kraft" on it or the stuff that has "Annie's" on it.

There's also the fact that literally describing what a product does as your claimed "trademark" would prevent others from accurately describing their own products that do the same thing. Example: “MXR Distortion+”: it’s a pedal that creates distortion and if you gave MXR the exclusive right to put the word “distortion” on their pedal, then no one else could (accurately) describe a distortion pedal using that word. So their trademark is "MXR" but the "distortion" part is essentially free for anyone to use. Same for Boss's “Super OverDrive”, which merely describes that it’s an overdrive pedal of a certain quality (adding terms like "super" to a descriptive name doesn't count for much under the law either). Contrast that with trademarks that merely suggest - but don't clearly describe - what the pedal does so the consumer has to put a little thought into it to make the connection – like Metal Zone or Tube Screamer.

EQD really does understand this principle and chooses trademarks that have no connection to the actual product (the law calls these "arbitrary" marks, because the connection between the chosen name and the product is essentially "for no clear reason"). The law considers "arbitrary" trademarks very strong, which greatly enhances EQD’s ability to stop people from using even arguably similar trademarks on pedals. The downside, for me at least, is that I can never tell what an EQD pedals is just from the name, so anytime I am considering building a clone, I first have to go on YouTube to hear a demo to figure out just what the hell the pedal might do. (I've built most of them, and I still get "Grand Orbiter", Dispatch Master" and "Disaster Transport" confused as far as functionality).

Mike
 
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