SOLVED Cattle Driver Volume pot operating issue

c.est.baastien

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Hi
My Cattle Driver build don't operate as expected

Whatever gain / treble / bass dialed in.
The overall volume that goes out sounds like this sketch.
IMG_20241019_171529.jpg

I don't get what's wrong, I swapped IC1 and the circuit still behaves the same.

Power supply 9,46V
Vcc 8,59V
Vref 4,27V

IC1 TL072
pin 1 4,28V
pin 2 4,28V
pin 3 2,14V
pin 4 0V
pin 5 2,14V
pin 6 4,28V
pin 7 4,28V
pin 8 8,57V

IC2 LM301AN
pin 1 1,37V
pin 2 4,27V
pin 3 2,13V
pin 4 0V
pin 5 1,28V
pin 6 4,27V
pin 7 8,57V
pin 8 3,65V

IMG_20241019_170603.jpg

Edit : according to first answer, less words, more sketch
 
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I would try another pot, just for the sake of eliminating that
I agree, even though the OP said in post #9 "I've measured each pot resistance evolution while turning variable resistance and they behaves normally" even so, definitely try another pot.



That is a mystery. I'd think there was an incorrect resistor somewhere but it's only VREF going into the 301 and you verified that your VREF is correct.
I also thought maybe you've got a bad/fake TL072, but you're getting the same reading at pin 3 of the 301 IC... I don't know how/why, but it's gotta be VREF-related?


MAIN PROBLEM:
c.est.baastien, Seems there's a short with the volume control if it's basically maxed no matter what the other controls are set at.

With a DMM set to continuity, poke around the VOLUME pot and nearby components to see if continuity-beeps exist where there should be none.
If you find such unwanted continuity, then you can explore further visually to see if there's a strand of wire, or spatter of solder that is making the unwanted connection.
Continuity between VOLUME PAD-3 and PAD-2 on the PCB?


En aparté ...
I would suggest standardizing your wiring.

GAIN & VOL are wired:
LUG 1 BLUE
LUG 2 GREEN
LUG 3 BLACK


...HI & LO are wired:
LUG 1 BLUE
LUG 2 BLACK
LUG 3 GREEN


Since you're using black on your power ground, you could wire the VOL with black on Lug-1, as it goes to ground, but not all pots' LUG-1 go to ground...

Nonetheless, I'd keep the wiring consistent on all pots (*and since I only see four colours in your build — black blue green and red reserved for power):

LUG 1 BLACK (often goes to ground, or combined with LUG 2 in a rheostat-wired pot)
LUG 2 BLUE (usually the OUTPUT of a pot when wired as a voltage-divider as opposed to pot wired as rheostat)
LUG 3 GREEN (usually the INPUT of a pot, whether voltage-divider or rheostat)

Sometimes the desired rotation of a pot calls for the in/out of LUG 1 & LUG 3 to be swapped, but even then I keep my wiring consistent:

LUG 1 — colour A
LUG 2 — colour B
LUG 3 — colour C

Not necessarily those specific colours, but the point is they're consistent within each build. I generally use black for ground and of course red for power, then I have a few other colours of wire for in/out of jacks, 3 different colours for pots as mentioned...
Makes trouble-shooting much easier. Maybe buy one more colour of wire.

Of course, do whatever makes the most sense to you; some people use one colour or wire for their whole build, on all their builds. 🤷‍♂️





En aparté deux...

There looks to be a stray strand from the power wire to the anode of the LED.

BAASTIEN Screenshot 2024-10-30 at 04.49.42.png
 
That is a mystery. I'd think there was an incorrect resistor somewhere but it's only VREF going into the 301 and you verified that your VREF is correct.
I also thought maybe you've got a bad/fake TL072, but you're getting the same reading at pin 3 of the 301 IC... I don't know how/why, but it's gotta be VREF-related?

Yes, this is the remaining problem I have and the mystery to solve now.
I still measure voltages at every op amp non-inverted inputs ~2,13V while other reports ~3,74V
Vcc @ R2 resistor ~8,6V
Vref @ C18 ~4,3V.

I checked resistors R6 R9 R13 and R14. Those in my build are definitively 1 MOhm brown-black-black-yellow-brown (in the correct colour order) and not 140 Ohm (same colours but in the wrong order).
I wonder what voltages will it be if someone would use 140Ohm instead of 1meg at R6 R13 R14
 
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From where did you source your TL072s? There was a thread on this forum maybe a year or so ago where someone reported that they got bogus or at least out-of-spec TL072s from Tayda.
 
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