SOLVED Magnetron screw up

Jeff C

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Continuing from my tremolo thread here………
I recently built the Magnetron. I was delighted when it cranked right up on the first try (I am a rank amateur who makes lots of mistakes - as one can see from my comically epic Cobalt Drive thread and slightly less comical EA Tremolo thread…..). Then after I mounted it in the enclosure - nada. It was quite a struggle getting it into the enclosure so perhaps I damaged something in the process. So I hate like damn to have to start this one as I actually had it working!! The bypass works fine. But one of the LED’s just stays lit, whether the pedal is switched on or not. It does dim when I turn the level pot and flutters with the speed pot. The other LED never lights up - perhaps I burnt it out……. When I put my audio probe on the level pot, I get nothing. On speed and depth pots, I can hear the clicking of what the delay should be. And with feedback I can hear it distorting as it turns up, but no audio sound. I tried following the audio path. I get a clear signal from the in pad, so I don’t think it’s the switch. I also get audio to r1, r2 and r3, and c1 and pin 2 on IC1. No audio on the outgoing pin 1 (according to the schematic). I get audio on one pin on the gain trimmer pot. I tried three different op amp 2134’s at the IC1 slot with no luck (using a socket). Same with IC2 and IC3. (I was hoping my problem was that I had damaged one or more of them when I was wrestling the board into the enclosure - a very tight fit!) I went ahead and reflowed EVERY solder and inspected under good light with a magnifier glass - although my skills are questionable. I then did continuity tests on all points and reflowed solder where it did not ring out consistently. All ground connections have continuity.
But I still get nothing. On the schematic I’m not sure where the point is that connects the LFO to the depth pot and C8 cap, and from the LFO to R103. Nor do I know where the +5v point is that connects to IC3 and 4. On the power side, I get continuity everywhere but tomorrow (it’s late!) I’m going to reflow a few points that are a little hard to get to ring out (but eventually do).
Any suggestions in the meantime are most welcome!
 
Tks! So, should I be expecting 4.5v on IC1.3 instead of .22? The only place I have more than .36 is on pin 8 where it is 9v.
Just to be clear, I used IC1.3 but that was not accurate... you better use IC1 P3, this way we do not confuse what is meant with what's on the schematic. If you look IC1 is a dual opamp, so it is designated IC1.1 for the first stage andIC1.2 for the second stage, so there isn't really an IC1.3.

And yes you should read VREF (4.5V) on pin 3 and on pin 5 of IC1.
 
Just to be clear, I used IC1.3 but that was not accurate... you better use IC1 P3, this way we do not confuse what is meant with what's on the schematic. If you look IC1 is a dual opamp, so it is designated IC1.1 for the first stage andIC1.2 for the second stage, so there isn't really an IC1.3.

And yes you should read VREF (4.5V) on pin 3 and on pin 5 of IC1.
Tks! I only get .22v on pin 5 as well. And sorry, I, getting .22 to one side only of R101.
 
I think you meant to say IC1.1 pin 3, but yes it should be a little under 4.5V. Pin 8 of the OPA2134 should have just about 9v.
So I would guess that we need to check that you have you voltage correctly set at R100 and R101..
Yes, that’s right. Sorry. So it seems I’m lacking voltage on pin 3. I’m getting 9v on R100, nada on R101. .22v to C101.
So 9V on R100 and most like like 0V on the other pin of R100 right ?

I would check continuity from R100 to R101 and check for ground continuity on R101...
 
So I would guess that we need to check that you have you voltage correctly set at R100 and R101..

So 9V on R100 and most like like 0V on the other pin of R100 right ?

I would check continuity from R100 to R101 and check for ground continuity on R101...
9v on both sides of R100. Good continuity between 100 and 101. And I have ground continuity on 101. Might I need to replace 101? I’ve reflowed it at least a couple of times……🤪
 
9v on both sides of R100. Good continuity between 100 and 101. And I have ground continuity on 101. Might I need to replace 101? I’ve reflowed it at least a couple of times……🤪
I’m getting 9v on R100, nada on R101. .22v to C101.
OK that doesn't make sense... you need to redo your reading. You can't have 9V on both side of R100, good continuity between R100 and R101 but no voltage on either side of R101...
 
Yes, they are 47k. Did my readings again. 9v on both sides of 100, .22v on one side of 101 and 0 on the other.
Can you check the value of C101 ?
Yes, they are 47k. Did my readings again. 9v on both sides of 100, .22v on one side of 101 and 0 on the other.
So there's a problem between R100 and R101, they should see the exact same voltage. You said there was continuity ?

Do you measure your voltage on the solder point or on the resistor legs ?
 
solder points. can’t seem to get to get a beep between the legs……hmmmmm…. Check that, getting it now. Weird. And now not getting it. Very inconsistent.
 
Ok, really confused and showing my amateur status. With no power to the board, I get no continuity. I apply power and I get it but only if if the red lead is on 101. Solder side and leg side.
 
Ok, really confused and showing my amateur status. With no power to the board, I get no continuity. I apply power and I get it but only if if the red lead is on 101. Solder side and leg side.
Well that doesn't make any sense to me....
101 yes, 100 no.
Ok so R100 is our issue, but you said you have reflowed it...

Here's what I would do... Remove R100, clean up the solder (you have wick ?) check if the pads are intact... Check you continuity to R101 and C101. If both checks out, re-install a new 47k at R100. Take your time and make sure you get good solder point.

You could jump R100 to R101, but I don't like that if we can confirm your pads are intact and the continuity checks out on the board. You may end up having to jump it anyway if we conclude the path is cut on the board.
 
Will do! Taking a break. Back later……
No worries... you've got a good part of the problem pinned down. At the end you should:

Have continuity from R100 to R101, R100 to C101 and R101 to C101, that basically the red section here:

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Then, you should be getting a reading of 9V on one side of R100 (green side) and 4.5V on either R100, R101 or C101. Once that's done, you should also get 4,5V on IC1 Pin 3.
 
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