Should I expect to pay Tariffs on Tayda Orders?

falco_femoralis said:
His intentions are simple - make America great again. How do we do that? What's the biggest difference between the post war boom and now? "Made in America" So we'll bring production back to the US. But what his plan doesn't address is the reason production moved overseas to begin with - a softening post war economy and CEO's who did what they could to continue their own lifestyles, at the expense of the employees. And then the cycle continued for 5 decades because no one wants to face the hard truth that outsourcing isn't sustainable. The irony is of course Trump is one of the fat cats who lines his own pockets. But this is a PR move to appeal to the sensibilities of the people who elected him and it's a way to wave his dick around.

He doesn't have an end goal, other than to make money and satisfy his own ego. That's all this is anymore - a power trip, not a strategy game.
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Not to dive into politics here, but we had post war manufacturing for a long time. Trade deals and this "open markets" orthodoxy that wasn't shared by foreign countries charging us tariffs on American made exports is what killed manufacturing. If companies found that they had free access to American consumers no matter where they were located then they soon afixed their eyes on labor costs as the major cost driver. Immediately it became clear that they could make more money by manufacturing the product with cheap labor elsewhere and absorb the increased shipping costs (which was dwarfed by labor expenses anyway). Tariffs change that calculus and directly address the fact that outsourcing was actually very sustainable for foreign manufactured goods (just not for American employees). Americans have money and have been imprinted with a desire to consume. We're the perfect market for anyone making widgets on a grand scale. Why shouldn't they pay a fee to get into this market, just like the fee they charged us to get into their market. Seems like common sense to me.
 
Locrian99 said:
I’m sure it’s not so simple. I also don’t think his intentions are so simple. In announcing tariffs he also mentioned post poning tariffs on companies that promise investments into the us. Who can do this the largest companies. You’re small start up isnt going to be able to build a factory. What qualifies as an investment? Those who donate to his cause? Those who say what he wants them to say? He has shown through pardons, appointments, threats of fcc licenses, lawsuits, now were getting prosecutions. We’ll end up with an oligarchy with wealth concentrated to those who remain loyal to this man who clearly wants a US that is ran like one of his ill fated casinos.
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. :ROFLMAO:
 
There are a lot of issues with what you wrote, not the least of which is this:
Mike52 said:
Why shouldn't they pay a fee to get into this market, just like the fee they charged us to get into their market. Seems like common sense to me.
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Foreign exporters don’t pay the tariff. Importers pay it, and much of it gets passed on to us consumers. Tayda and JLCPCB aren’t paying a fee to sell to us; instead, we have to pay (an illegal) tax on anything that we buy from them. Nobody is going to replicate JLCPCB in the US at anywhere close to JLCPCB prices/quality for many reasons, not the least of which being the thicket of environmental laws that make it very difficult to build anything in the Anglosphere. There is an abundance of economic literature and empirical studies on tariffs, and nearly all of them conclude that tariffs result in higher prices and fail to create domestic manufacturing.
 
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Mike52 said:
Why shouldn't they pay a fee to get into this market, just like the fee they charged us to get into their market. Seems like common sense to me.
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Seems to me like me the consumer or small scale manufacturer whatever I am. Is the one paying the fee.
 
PedalBuilder said:
There are a lot of issues with what you wrote, not the least of which is this:

Foreign exporters don’t pay the tariff. Importers pay it, and much of it gets passed on to us consumers. Tayda and JLCPCB aren’t paying a fee to sell to us; instead, we have to pay (an illegal) tax on anything that we buy from them. Nobody is going to replicate JLCPCB in the US at anywhere close to JLCPCB prices/quality for many reasons, not the least of which being the thicket of environmental laws that make it very difficult to build anything in the Anglosphere. There is an abundance of economic literature and empirical studies on tariffs, and nearly all of them conclude that tariffs result in higher prices and fail to create domestic manufacturing.
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Manufacturers eat the tariffs up to a threshold (their own internal calculations) because price point is the critical thing. Once they can no longer absorb the cost, sustainable redistribution kicks in and they raise prices. Common sense would cast suspicion on all those "studies." If they were universally bad then 170 countries around the world would quit imposing them on imports. (The other obvious problem with the academic arguments is that so much of their output is financed by globalist manufacturing interests. Doubt it? Look what the same economists say about carbon tax credits). We're already seeing several major foreign manufacturers opening American operations. Tariffs work very well in the short term to get needed reforms. Long term, they provide money to the treasury that can then be translated into lower taxes (hopefully). Either way, they appear to be moving the pendulum in a good direction for America. I'm cool with that.
 
PedalBuilder said:
Look, I get that economics isn’t your thing, so in that case maybe consider not opining on it. It’s always ok to say “I don’t know” when you don’t understand something.
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Physician heal thyself. Though the more I learn about economics the more I'm convinced that economics doesn't understand economics. It's real simple though, we got the cash, they got the widgets, whose gonna blink first? So far, happily, it's been the widget manufacturers.
 
Mike52 said:
Physician heal thyself. Though the more I learn about economics the more I'm convinced that economics doesn't understand economics. It's real simple though, we got the cash, they got the widgets, who’s gonna blink first? So far, happily, it's been the widget manufacturers.
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The more you learn about economics?It’s evident from your writing that you haven’t learned anything about economics. And that’s fine. It’s clear to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that you’re way out of your depth and have no idea what you’re talking about. Step away from the keyboard and leave the economics and tariff talk to those of us on the right side of the bell curve.
 
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PedalBuilder said:
Look, it’s clear to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that you’re way out of your depth and have no idea what you’re talking about. Leave the economics and tariff talk to those of us on the right side of the bell curve.
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Ah, got it. "Shut up, you aren't toeing the party line." This topic isn't going to get resolved in a pedal building forum and your insults and back-handed comments aren't winning anyone over. Have a good day, if it's possible in your world view. Ha.
 
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