NGD! A Green Bird!

MichaelW

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So there was some idiot on the forum prattling on about how he's currently unemployed and taking a sabbatical and on a fixed income and how he was slowing down his gear acquisition because he can't really afford to be blowing through his savings.....I dunno what happened to him but I get the feeling he's totally full of sh*t....... :ROFLMAO:

I've been looking at Firebirds and chasing that Firebird tone for many years. With my "VelaBird" and more recently with my Chibson with the mini-hum/bird pickups.
I could never bring myself to drop the $$'s for a real Gibson, and they're relatively scarce to begin with without going Custom Shop.

When Epiphone released their series of "Inspired by Gibson" guitars, I was really glad to see they included the Firebird, Korina Explorer and Korina Flying V.
Some of the "Inspired by Gibson" range are a bit on the pricey side (Like the Explorer and V) but others are still very affordable.
The Epiphone Firebird is really the only game in town for a "traditionally appointed" Firebird at a budget price.

I'm not a big fan of the Epiphone sunburst finishes as they generally show the less than stellar woods that are typically used in Epiphones.

Then I saw this!!!
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It looks like these Olive Drab colored Epi's are a limited edition for ZZounds/Americal Musical Supply.
My first reaction to this color scheme was....."Ewwwwww............!"

But then they started to grow on me, to the point where I started gassing for one, heh.

Enter Reverb and ZZounds. I put one in my Watchlist and like clockwork they sent me a pretty decent offer. I wound up paying $585.

I have to say, the value of these Epiphones are really amazing. Like my Epiphone Les Paul Special, the build quality is really very good. In some ways even better than the original Gibson that "inspired" them.

This is my first Firebird that I've ever owned. Man, it's a pretty massive guitar! Yet it's amazing how well balanced it is and how sitting down and playing it put the neck up high and gives me full access to whole neck without having to play right at my belly button.....:ROFLMAO:.

One of the big reasons that I pulled the trigger now of all times, is because I had that extra set of Firebird pickups from Onamac Windery that needed a home.
I was originally thinking about putting them in another Tele build. But I've got so many Tele's right now.

It's not the first time I've bought or built a guitar around a set of pickups I had, and probably won't be the last. There IS a little "twist" to this story about the pickups but I'll get to that in a bit.

The guitar arrived in record time. Like two days after I placed the order. ZZounds is always super fast getting stuff shipped out in my experience.

The build quality, as expected was very good. Neck was straight, frets were level, intonation was spot on and action was acceptable out of the box.

So first up, checking the wiring, part of the selling point on these "Inspired by Gibson" series is the upgraded electronics. CTS pots, Orange Drop caps.
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BUT.....these are all useless for me. They used 4 B500k pots. I don't understand why they don't use Log taper pots, especially for the volume controls.
Also, they spring for CTS pots and orange drops but still use a cheap toggle switch and jack, which are the more likely to cause problems. I guess it's all about marketing. Needless to say, I gutted it and installed my own wiring.

The pickups that came with them are part of their "ProBucker" series and I have to say I am very impressed with them. They actually sound very good and are definitely geared towards the vintage tonality. I may wind up using these in another guitar......(maybe another Tele build......hahahaha)
You can tell through the couple of small witness holes that they used real maple spacers. But I can't tell without opening them up whether they used the steel reflector plates or not. It SOUNDS like it. The reflector plate functions in the same way a steel baseplate on a Tele bridge pickup or a steel plate add on for a Start pickup does. It intensifies the magnetic field and gives the pickups a bit more punch. The Firebird is aptly referred to as a "Tele on Steroids".

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Cheap toggle, I have a Switchcraft coming tomorrow that will be replacing this one.
This one rattles and has some sympathetic vibrations with some notes.
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Epiphone branded jack but it's a cheap crappy one. I replaced it with a Switchcraft jack.
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One of the hallmarks of the Firebird construction is the multi-laminated neck through construction. I'm really glad to see that Epiphone did not skimp on this and make it a set neck. You can see the alternating mahogany and walnut sandwich under the pickup cavity sticker. You can also see some faint witness lines in the finish as well but I could not pick it up on camera. Point being, even with the opaque finish, it's a true neck through.
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The fingerboard is Indian Laurel. I've said before that I really like Indian Laurel, as it's much closer in feel and look to real Indian Rosewood compared to the alternatives like Pau Ferro.
There also seems to be a wide range of colors. I have 3 guitars with Indian Laurel fingerboards are all they look different. On my Gretsch it's redder with wavy grain lines. On my Epi Les Paul Special it's dark and looks identical to Indian rosewood. This one has straighter grain but nice color shifts to it. It's very pretty.

But having said that, I wanted to experiment with trying to darken an Indian Laurel board. My usual process on a new rosewood fingerboard is to put a couple of coats of Danish Oil on it. Flood it, let it soak in, wipe it off, repeat a couple of times. Danish Oil is a type of varnish and when cured it has a nice hard finish that reduces the need to oil the fingerboard (at least here in Florida).

I mixed some different brown tone alcohol dyes into the natural colored Danish oil and tried that. You can see the color over the inlays.
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I'm not sure it made a ton of difference once I wiped it off. But it was an interesting experiment. Might have more of an effect on a Pau Ferro board or a lighter colored laurel board.

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I love the aesthetic of the Olive Drab on this guitar. The SG version looks pretty cool too. Still debating if I want to swap the control knobs to a gold or amber with a reflector plate.
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They used traditional inline 6 Grover mini tuners which are excellent tuners, forgoing the "banjo" tuners of the original.
The banjo tuners that come on the originals can be problematic. Most people will upgrade them to the Steinberger Firebird tuners.
I'm pretty happy with the way this headstock is, even if it's not completely like a real Gibson with the "middle of the headstock" tuner placement and the graduated carve on the headstock.
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I did my usual "fluff and buff" on the frets. Which is just touching up a couple of fret ends and giving them a polish with the Dremel.
They feel like they need a bit more "crown" as I can feel the "corners" of the frets while playing. But it's not a deal breaker by any means, just an observation.

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The guitar came stock with a Tusq nut, which most Epi's and Gibson's standard range comes with. Tonally I can't hear any difference between Tusq and bone but I hate the way it looks. It just screams "cheeeeeeeep" to me. You can't tell the difference of real Tusq vs cheap plastic. So I cut a bone nut for this.

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The truss rod cover is HUUUUUUGE, and it's flimsy and warpy. Not sure if I can get a better quality replacement for this or not without a custom cut.
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I love the red Firebird emblem on the black pickguard. Looks sharp to me!
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Nice!!! I've been thinking about grabbing one of these. I got the SG with the Maestro in the same color and have always wanted a firebird! I've been impressed with the Epiphone quality with these newer "Inspired By" models.
 
Ok. now the not so good.....and it has nothing to do with the guitar itself. I think this is a superb value like most of the Epiphones.
Especially if you want that particular sound in your arsenal but it's not going to be a main guitar.

The stock pickups sound great and there's really not a lot that needs to be upgraded. A decent set up and a fret polish and your GTG.
The tunomatic bridge and tailpiece even comes with the little springs that hold them in place during string changes, a very nice touch!

My problems are with the Onamac Windery pickups. I just seem to continue having problems with these pickups.
First of all they SOUND fabulous. Might be the best sounding set of Firebird pickups I've ever played. They are more "Firebird" than the Mini-Hums I got from PlanetTone.com.

When I rewired it, I installed 250k audio taper pots. Throughout the Firebird history that began in 1963, Gibson has used both 500k and 300k pots. I think current production is 500k. It was on the Epi anyway. Firebirds can be super bright sounding.
I decided to proactively tame that brightness a bit by installing 250k pots. It's STILL extremely bright and can be piercing but the 250k pots and rolling off the tone a tad helps. There's the signature Firebird sound that most people are familiar with, think Johnny Winter, Joe Bonamassa, etc.

But there's a whole nuther world of tonality in Firebirds that is way under represented, that being how they sound with the tone controls rolled way back. You can get this beautiful round, warm, ambient kinds of tones this way. Check out some of Tom Bukovac's videos of him playing his birds.

Anyway, I digress, the issue I have is that the middle position with both pickups sounds like they are out of phase. Very weak and thin and "Peter Greenish". They're not supposed to be. I've tried every trick I know short of taking the pickup apart to get to the root of the problem.

I re-wired it twice on the off chance I borked something. It's not my wiring. The only possibilities I can think of is that one of the magnets got installed backwards. OR, one set of leads coming off the pickup windings are reversed.

Given the slow response I've gotten from Kerry (Onamac dude) I kinda resigned myself to the fact that I was going to have to do some pickup surgery and figured it out myself. So imagine my surprise when he responded to my message on Reverb within 24 hours. He made a couple suggestions (none of which resolved the issue) and then said he'd send me a new set ASAP. So that's pretty cool!
Maybe things are turning around and he's getting caught up. I'll reserve judgment when I see how long it takes to get the replacement set.

In the meantime, I can still use the center position by rolling off a wee bit of either the neck or the bridge pickup which brings in a full tone again. But on these Gibson style 2 pickup guitars I pretty much LIVE in the center position and use the volume controls to adjust the mix between bridge and neck. So getting that right is kinda important for me.

So, at the moment, it's a kind of unfinished project, but I am LOVING this guitar. And I LOVE these pickups with the aforementioned exception of the phase issue.

Stay tuned for a demo!
 
I really like this guitar, even though the color just doesn't do it for me. I suspect if I gazed at it longingly enough it would grow on me (my Tabor Yamaha is greenburst and I would normally HATE greenburst but it's my thing now...). I love the look of the banjo tuners but one of the downsides is that they have a tendancy to make the guitar neck heavy, at least the ones I've played.

There's nothing like the sound of a bird though, I'm very envious.
 
Been wanting a Firebird for a little while now, but I keep biting Les Pauls. I love the reverse headstock, glad they did that. I like the out of phase sound, it’s about the only reason I would use the middle position. That being said, if I spent a bunch of money on custom pickups, I’d want it to be my choice instead of what you’re dealing with.
 
I love the looks and sound of the Firebird. This seems an amazing guitar! Can you tell us more about ergonomics? I didn’t quite follow what you were saying about sitting down, is that more comfortable than standing?
 
I love the looks and sound of the Firebird. This seems an amazing guitar! Can you tell us more about ergonomics? I didn’t quite follow what you were saying about sitting down, is that more comfortable than standing?
I'll also say it FEELS like you're playing a massive guitar. Just looking up at the huge headstock is kinda wierd and it's all part of the Firebird charm. There's nothing quite like it, it's a different animal.
 
I really like this guitar, even though the color just doesn't do it for me. I suspect if I gazed at it longingly enough it would grow on me (my Tabor Yamaha is greenburst and I would normally HATE greenburst but it's my thing now...). I love the look of the banjo tuners but one of the downsides is that they have a tendancy to make the guitar neck heavy, at least the ones I've played.

There's nothing like the sound of a bird though, I'm very envious.
Yah, "Army Green" is a bit off the wall for a guitar color. But I think it was @Dan0h that got the green Epi 335? I kinda dug that.
Now I'm really digging it, the SG looks cool too.
Not exactly sure why the "61 SG costs a few hundred more than the green SG with vibrola.
 
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