Delay, Reverb, Chorus all in one box

[allsmoke]

Hi all. I've built the VHS and love it, but was wondering if there is any PCB out there (or chip that can be programmed) to be able to do a Delay, Reverb and Chorus all in one pedal.
IF not, what are the smallest PCB footprints that I could either wire together in either a 1590bb or 1590dd if needed.

Thanks everyone!

 

[jwin615]

One at a time or a multi effect?
For one at a time you could use fv-1 eeprom builder and pick out up to 8

 

[mybud]

Hi all. I've built the VHS and love it, but was wondering if there is any PCB out there (or chip that can be programmed) to be able to do a Delay, Reverb and Chorus all in one pedal.
IF not, what are the smallest PCB footprints that I could either wire together in either a 1590bb or 1590dd if needed.

Thanks everyone!

I’ve ordered one of these from Barry:

NostalgiTone Space Modulator Triple Combo: The Ultimate for Expansive Tone - GuitarPCB

Unlock your creativity with the NostalgiTone Space Modulator, which features a powerful combination of delay, reverb, and chorus effects.

guitarpcb.com

Haven’t built it yet but it does delay, reverb, and chorus in one box (if that’s what you’re after).

 

[phi1]

The VHS uses one Fv-1 chip for reverb and chorus. You couldn’t really do all three in one fv-1, mainly because the fv-1 only allows 3 knob inputs.

The smallest/cheapest would probably be the VHS pcb and a separate delay pcb (take your pic, pt2399 or fb-1 based). The VHS toggles for selecting effects could be changes to footswitches.

The most robust but largest would be to select your favorite pcb of each effect and put them all in a 1590DD (I think it could fit but it may be tight depending which pcbs you get.

 

[allsmoke]

One at a time or a multi effect?
For one at a time you could use fv-1 eeprom builder and pick out up to 8

Ah, this could be perfect. So it shows here I can pick up to 8 programs. Since Pythagoras only has 3 effects, I assume I would pick Program 0, 1 and 2 as they are the first 3. And for anyone familiar with Pythagoras, can I have them on/off as needed (all on, all off, or 1/2 on at a time?).

Thank you again

 

[phi1]

Pythagorus and arachnid are the same, except arachnid allows up to 8 patches on a rotary switch.

You can’t partially select patches, you’re on one patch at a time.

The VHS uses 4 separate patches for no reverb/or chorus, reverb only, chorus only, reverb plus chorus. Basically, the code is adjusted within each patch to remove chorus or reverb.

You could maybe get away with only 1 fv-1 input for delay circuit (time) and mix and feedback pot in the hardware circuit. This approach would be a lot of code and pcb design. And use up to 8 patches for all the combinations of effects.

So the above would be possible with a single fv-1, but it’s a lot of design and coding. My vote would still be VHS plus a delay pcb.

 

[jcpst]

If you’re going to be using them all together you could also consider a delay with modulation, which can get you into chorus territory. Then add a reverb.

 

[tcpoint]

Terrarium or Funbox. 6 pots and a bunch of switches and lots of examples of chorus, delay, and reverb.

 

[jwin615]

If you want multi effects, madbean had some 1590G(?) projects. If you find some you want, then ask around the madbean forum.
The degenerator is/was a nice pt2399 delay. Not sure if it was ever a baby board

 

[JamieJ]

As a bit of tangent - did you see Jeff Becks pedalboard is for sale and he was using a VHS pedal. Pretty strong endorsement.

 

[Feral Feline]

Ah, this could be perfect. So it shows here I can pick up to 8 programs. Since Pythagoras only has 3 effects, I assume I would pick Program 0, 1 and 2 as they are the first 3. And for anyone familiar with Pythagoras, can I have them on/off as needed (all on, all off, or 1/2 on at a time?).

Thank you again

As has already been noted by others, the FV-1 projects can only do 1 algorithm at a time, HOWEVER, it has only been alluded to or hinted at or mentioned in passing that an FV-1 can, in fact do a couple of effects within one patch (algorithm).

For the most bang for your buck in the most compact format without resorting to programming in Daisy-Terrarium territory...

GET TWO ARACHNIDS
You'll have 8 patches in each PCB — stuff both PCBs into a 1590XX (1590DD is just too big, IMO, for your intended usage/needs.
PLUS You can mod EACH PCB to have the STOCK FV-1 ALGOS available to you, a total of 16 patches for each PCB that you can mix and match to your needs.

FV-1 Internal Patches . . . . stock algos

Program #	Description	Pot 1	Pot 2	Pot 3
0	Chorus-Reverb	Reverb Mix	Chorus Rate	Chorus Mix
1	Flange-Reverb	Reverb Mix	Flange Rate	Flange Mix
2	Tremolo-Reverb	Reverb Mix	Tremolo Rate	Tremolo Mix
3	Pitch Shift	Pitch ±4 Semitones	-	-
4	Pitch-Echo	Pitch Shift	Echo Delay	Echo Mix
5	Test (no effect)	-	-	-
6	Reverb 1	Reverb Time	HF Filter	LF Filter
7	Reverb 2	Reverb Time	HF Filter	LF Filter

Note there are already three of the effects you seek up there, albeit the chorus is paired with a reverb and the delay with a pitch shifter (but you could turn down the pitch knob), but beyond that you'd also have the EEPROM and your other PCB could/would engage the power of its EEPROM, which brings us to...

FROM THE EEPROM BUILDER, select the patches/algorithms you want (ignore the MODULE8 and OCTAGON as well as SPATIALIST markings, those are my notes for specific preloaded EEPROMS, you're going for algos-a-la-carte) — I'm only including chorus, reverbs, and delays below, there are many more algos besides these that might catch your fancy:

EEPROM-BUILDER ——————— MODULE8 —— OCTAGON —— SPATIALIST

REV001 — Hypernova
REV002 — Glimmer
REV003 — Spring
REV004 — Blackface
REV005 — Brownface
REV006 — Spatialist Room
REV007 — Spatialist Hall
REV008 — Spatialist Chamber
REV009 — Spatialist Cavern
REV010 — Spatialist Pitchverb
REV011 — Spatialist Touchverb

MOD001 — Chorus

DLY001 — DigiDelay
DLY002 — Modulated Delay
DLY003 — Tape Delay
DLY004 — Pitch Delay
DLY005 — Space Delay
DLY006 — Kaleidoscope

UNI001 — Unison Dual Detune
UNI002 — Unison Modulated
UNI003 — Unison Double Take


Of the above, Unison is super-short delays for doubling effects so I included them as well.

More notes on the above:
Hypernova = Modulated Reverb
Glimmer = Shimmer

Kaleidoscope = Daydream Delay — Robert's own special algo (as opposed to Space Delay)
“Digital Delay" algorithm for the Arachnid is probably the cleanest. It's just pure delay with no filtering. The Hydra has a bit of filtering and modulation.

BEYOND THOSE ABOVE, you can order patches from MAS EFFECTS, or even find a programmer to write you up something custom (if you're not a programmer yourself, and if you are, then you should look at the Terrarium after all.)

C R D related algos from MAS (forgive the formatting, it gets lost when pasting from my notes to the forum).
Here are some of the MAS favourites:

9) ️Oil can delay Time & rate Chorus width Feedback
10) Geoffrey: Pitch-shift delay (Pitch shift is +M3rd, +5th, +7th, +1 Octave)
Delay Pitch select Feedback
11) Choir Saw Madbean [NOT HEADTRIP2 CHOIRMOUSE] (Delay w/ pitch shift in feedback path, ala EQD Rainbow Machine and tremolo. P0 delay time (<800ms feedback low-high trem speed low to high
12 ️Starfield+ (Harmonic tremolo mixed with delay. For thick, rich, soundscapes, don't overdo the mix)
Delay Spd+Dly/Trem mix Dry/wet mix
13) ️Reverb + Flange + LPF NEED A DELAY WITH A HPF ON THE REPEATS!
14) Firesledge Reverb (bass) (Simple reverberation designed for bass)
Time Filter Mix


I'll have to split the post up.

MORE to come...

 

[Feral Feline]

THE FORUM LOSING THE FORMATTING FROM A SIMPLE RTF DOC IS A TOTAL PITA!!!

REVERB
Name Knob 1 Knob 2 Knob 3
️Plate Reverb (by Spinsemi)
Pre-delay Time Damping

Plate Reverb (Dattorro Mix Reverb By mdroberts.)
Pre-delay Time Damping

Plate Reverb (By mdroberts, from Dattorro's paper)
Reverb level Reverb time Damping

Plate Reverb (Dattorro Mix Reverb. By mdroberts.)
Pre-delay Time Filter

️Hall Reverb Pre-delay Reverb time Damping

️Room Reverb Pre-delay Reverb time Damping

Gated Reverb Pre-delay Gate time Damping

Echo Reverb Delay Repeat Reverb

Chorus Reverb Chorus-width Sweep-rate Reverb

Flange-verb Reverb Rate Feedback

️Tremolo + Reverb Reverb Rate Level

Reverb + HP + LP (Reverb + 2-pole HP & 2-pole LP)

Reverb HPF LPF

️Reverb + Flange + LP (Reverb plus flange plus 4-pole low pass. Zero delay with flanger fully counter-clockwise. If you take the time to dial in the LP filter, and adjust the wet/dry mix, you can get some amazing sounds that have a rare blend of being both unusual and very usable.)

Reverb Flanger LPF

Reverb + Pitch + LP Reverb Pitch (down) LPF 4-pole (May be bit laggy?)

Pitch + Reverb karaoke ? ? ?

Reverb/RT/D/F Reverb time Diffusion High/Low Frequency Damping

Plate Reverb: Very Tight (extreme density, bit tinny, explosive attack)
Reverb time Low freq loss High freq loss

Plate Reverb: Tight (very high density, bit tinny, explosive attack)
Reverb time Low freq loss High freq loss

Plate Reverb: Lush (very high density, explosive attack, large)
Reverb time Low freq loss High freq loss

Plate Verb + Shimmer Shimmer Reverb time Damping (Dattorro Mix Reverb)

Plate Verb+Oct+Shim Shimmer-level Time Damping (Dattorro Mix Reverb)

Plate Reverb + LPF Filter Time Damping (Dattorro Mix Reverb)

Plate Reverb + Octave (Dattorro plate+fixed 1-oct freq shift)
Shift level Time Damping

Plate+Pitch-Shift+Fdbck (Dattorro Verb+vari-freq shift on input, feedback)
Freq-shift Time Damping

Plate Verb+Pitch Shift (Dattorro Verb+vari-freq shift on input)
Freq-shift Time Damping

1-Head Tape Echo+Spring Time Feedback Reverb

️2-Head Tape Echo+Spring Time Feedback Reverb

1-Head Echo+Sprg+PingPong Time Feedback Level

2-Head Echo+Sprg+PingPong Time Feedback Level

1-Head Tape Echo+Verb Time Feedback Damping

2-Head Echo+Plate+PingPong (Verb code is 2 tap version of Spin OEM1 Vocal Plate)
Time Feedback Damping

2-Head Echo+Plate Verb (Verb code is 2 tap version of Spin OEM1 Vocal Plate)
Time Feedback Damping

Freeverb (Stereo based on Jezar's public domain C++ sources, composed of eight parallel comb filters on both channels, followed by four all-pass units in series. The filters on the right channel are slightly detuned compared to the left channel in order to create a stereo effect.)
Comb feedback — —

Reverse Reverb Pre-delay Decay time Damping

Hall Reverb w/ Shimmer Damping Feedback Decay

New Shimmer Reverb Shimmer Reverb level Reverb time

Interesting — w/ Overdrive (OD to flanger & HP/delay, verb driven direct from input)
? ? ?
Interesting — v1 (Flanger&HP/delay, Verb direct from input+envelope filter)
? ? ?


Room reverb: 3-4-5 (3 delay lines with relative lengths in a ratio of 3 - 4 - 5)
? ? ?

️Spring Reverb + Tremolo (cut tremolo depth for just good spring reverb)
Reverb Rate Depth

Firesledge Reverb (bass) (Simple reverberation designed for bass)
Time Filter Mix

️DRolo Reverb Decay Pre-delay Filter

Minimal Reverb — — —

 

[Feral Feline]

DELAY

Name Knob 1 Knob 2 Knob 3
Echo Reverb Delay Repeat Reverb
Echo with Repeats Reverb level Delay Echo level
Echo Reverb level Delay Echo level
️Stereo Pitch Transposer w/ Feedback and Delay (Probably not very practical, but crazy fun)
Pitch Feedback Delay
1-Head Tape+Springverb Time Feedback Reverb
️2-Head Tape+Springverb Time Feedback Reverb
1-Head Echo Spring Pong Time Feedback Level
2 Head Echo w/ Ping Pong Time Feedback Damping
2 Head Echo Spring Pong Time Feedback Level
1 Head Tape Echo Time Feedback Damping
1 Head Tape Echo+Verb Time Feedback Damping
Ping Pong 2:1 ? ? ?
2 Head Tape Echo + Plate Reverb, w/ Ping Pong (Reverb code is a 2 tap version of the Spin OEM1 Vocal Plate)
Time Feedback Damping
2 Head Echo + Plate Verb (reverb code is a 2 tap version of the Spin OEM1 Vocal Plate)
Time Feedback Damping
Ping Pong: Basic Wonky (Basic PP w/ adjustable feedback & damping, latter has HPF/LPF; some added wonkiness)
Time Feedback Damping
Ping Pong: Basic (Basic pingpong with adjustable feedback & damping; damping has HPF/LPF)
Time Feedback Damping
Ping Pong: Simple (Simple ping pong delay with adjustable feedback & LPF damping)
? ? ?
Ping Pong with Dual Taps Time 1 Time 2 Feedback
Ping Pong: Triple (PP delay with 3 taps - left, right, centre ; centre is mixed with both left & right taps)
Time 1 Time 2 Time 3
️Triple Tap Cascaded Delay Time 1 Time 2 Time 3
3-Tap CascaDelay Chorus Time 1 Time 2 Time 3
Triple Tap Delay — Parallel (more info...)
Time 1 Time 2 Time 3
Triple Tap Delay — Parallel, Varying Feedback (more info...)
Time 1 Time 2 Time 3
Triple Tap Delay — Parallel, Varying Feedback, w/ Chorus (more info...)
Time 1 Time 2 Time 3
Greenwood Delay Speed Time Randomness
Reverse Reverb Pre-delay Decay time Damping
Triple Delay w/ Feedback Time 1 Times 2 & 3 Feedback
Dual Flange Multi Tap Delay Feedback Res & time Return level
Modulated Echo Time Depth Level
Interesting - w/ Overdrive (more info...)
? ? ?
Interesting - v1 (more info...)
? ? ?
️Oil can delay Time & rate Chorus width Feedback
Choir Saw (A delay with pitch shift in the feedback path. Kind of a discount EQD Rainbow Machine. It is a delay with pitch shifting and tremolo. The result is something pretty unique and also musically interesting. The top knob P0 sets the delay time from long to short (about 800ms to a few ms). It also cross-fades into the pitch-shift as it is turned up. So, when the delay gets shorter more pitch shift is available in the feedback path. This gets really interesting when you set the delay to slow, feedback high and trem fast. Try it!)
Delay time Fdbck & Pitch Vol Speed
Delay OD (bass) (A delay with filtered overdrive in the feedback path. Designed for bass)
Time Feedback Dry/wet mix
️Starfield+ (Harmonic tremolo mixed with delay. For thick, rich, soundscapes, don't overdo the mix)
Delay Spd+Dly/Trem mix Dry/wet mix
8 second delay (Delays an input by eight seconds. It inteleaves the signal 8 ways in a single max sized delay.)
? ? ?
Reverse delay (Simplified part of A+ Paradox delay)
— Feedback Delay
Reverse delay Length — —
Geoffrey: Pitch-shift delay (Pitch shift is +M3rd, +5th, +7th, +1 Octave)
Delay Pitch select Feedback
Random Loop Delay ? ? ?
Ping Pong Delay Ping time Pong time Feedback

 

[Feral Feline]

CHORUS

Name Knob 1 Knob 2 Knob 3

Chorus Reverb Chorus width Sweep rate Reverb

Chorus Reverb Rate Level

Dual LFO Chorus (normal chorus but 2nd rate control changes things up a bit. Rate 2 completely CCW turns it off)
Rate 1 Rate 2 Depth

Triple-Tap CascaDelay+Chorus Time 1 Time 2 Time 3

Triple-Tap Delay — Parallel, Varying Feedback, w/ Chorus (taps are treated in parallel ; feedback & damping are fixed, but f/b varies slightly depending on delay time (longer time, less f/b) ; damping for each tap is different; With chorus)
Time 1 Time 2 Time 3

Ring Modulators w/ Chorus (Iinteresting and rich rhythms with this.)
Blend Carrier offset Chorus

Dual-Rate Chorus (Rate and Depth controls for normal chorus but adds 2nd rate control to spook things up a bit)
Chorus level Rate 1 Rate 2



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So, as you can see, two Arachnids could be loaded with nothing but algorithms of various combinations of Chorus Reverb Delay


CHORUS
Chorus-reverb
Chorus & Delay
Chorus & Reverb
Chorus w/ Ring Mod
Chorus & ...
Chorus only

REVERB
Reverb & Pitch
Reverb & Delay
Reverb & ...
Reverb only

DELAY
Delay & Pitch
Delay & Reverb
Delay & ...
Delay only

With two Arachnid engines you could pair up multiple delay-chorus-reverb configurations...
PCB1 Pitched-Reverb
PCB2 Pitch-modulated Delay

PCB1 Dual-LFO Chorus
PCB2 Reverb with Pre-Delay

etc ...

etc...