Fuzz Foundry Deluxe - Schematic Error: Reverse Biased Electrolytics

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Noticed unexpected gating behavior in the 1uF/10uF "Fat" switch settings; I believe the printed polarization ends up reverse biasing the electrolytics. Decided to flip them and the gating is gone, 10uF instead has a sag effect where the noise floor takes a second to come back in. Probably should put new ones in instead. Could use a board revision or a build doc update.
 
Not saying you're wrong, but this is the first time I've heard of anyone having this issue with the project.

mxnhlt said:
Noticed unexpected gating behavior in the 1uF/10uF "Fat" switch settings
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This sounds like normal behavior for the Fuzz Foundry.

mxnhlt said:
Decided to flip them and the gating is gone, 10uF instead has a sag effect where the noise floor takes a second to come back in.
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This sounds like the behavior of an electrolytic that is installed backwards.


I'll take a look.
 
The original gating behavior is with non-gated settings (no Comp, no Gate, full Drive & Stab) that goes away when switching to the film caps. Here's my sim, slightly different values but the DC bias ends up about the same:
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Thanks Robert!
 
How is the bias affected by turning the Comp and Gate controls? (or leaky germaniums)

I'm wondering if non-polar caps might be the way to go here.

I've found a couple other "Fat Foundry*" schematics with electrolytics in the same orientation (which doesn't mean it's right), and a couple in the opposite orientation (which doesn't mean it's wrong).

The Tone Bender MKI has the capacitor oriented the other way around, but it's a positive ground circuit, so ...

Let's build one.

*I'm not allowed to say their name online but I'm screaming it out loud as we speak (No one said I couldn't say it in person) :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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OK, built one on the standard PCB because I didn't feel like fooling with the rotary / toggle switches.

In hindsight, I probably should have so I could switch capacitors on the fly, but this serve should it's purpose.

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Swapped in back-to-back electrolytics, still has the sag effect instead of the gating. But I kind of liked the additional gating! Don't really want to stress a cap to get it though, and the standard way to achieve gating is close enough in sound.
 
OK, so here we go.... and this is a tricky one.

The cap is definitely reverse biased.

However, I have less gating with the capacitor installed as marked on the PCB. It has more oscillation and sounds closer to the original germanium version, even though I have 2N3906 installed.

I actually prefer it this way, but the fact that there is an audible difference tells me that we are probably throwing off the bias, and that's not right.

I also forgot how awesome the 'Factory is. Man, what a fantastic fuzz.
 
Now, as for correcting the issue...

Normally if it was a single value incorrect (considering there are quite a few in stock) I would mark it out on the PCB and make a note in the build doc.... but this involves installing a part backwards, and I'm just not OK with that...

So, time for a correction.

I'm also going to leave this one powered up for a day or two, then pull and measure the cap.... because I really like it better this way and at least two other similar projects orient the cap the same way.

... and that is why the issue hasn't been discovered until now.

Thank you for the report, I have refunded your payment as a token of appreciation.
 
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