No signal and ticking (clockless)

comradehoser

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Here's a mystery:

I completed off board wiring to finish and test 3 pedals. One, the Aion aurora deluxe/Keeley comp (the board was mistakenly sent instead of the Andromeda, and that's another story). I don't have super great luck with compressor builds, but as with aion's meridian, it fired right up and compressed stuff real good. I could tell, yes, that's some compression.

Two, the moonn f(x)=fuzzyness², a many flavors fuzz face with silicon transistors and jfets and different clipping deals.

Three, the moonn Octobot, a cd4049ube/cd4040 powered octaving fuzz.

Both of these very different circuits exhibit the same odd behavior. When effect is switched, there is no signal but a 60-80 bpm beep/tick. High frequency and crystalline sounding. It's very regular and is independent of pot settings or incoming signal (no input required). Also not dependent on grounding wiring (why the Octobot has a redundant ground from input jack to 3pdt).

I worked on the Octobot, and I have 9.4 volts coming in and going down to the foot switch 9v pad. Some reasonable voltage (around 5v) is being delivered to the ICs.

Components seem to be in the proper orientation and connections seem to be correct, including the 3pdt--yes it is supposed to look that way because Moonn inverts the pads so that input and output are opposite the sides where the in/out jacks are (it's his preferred 3pdt wiring set up, don't ask me).

This seems real distinctive across both pedals so I'm thinking it's a common element, something early on in the signal, like a cap charging and discharging? Or the funky 1n4001 protection deal maybe not happy? Power coupling cap looks good and I don't see any bridges even though moon's layouts have pads miiiiighty close together

Sorry I can't lift the pots because of impinging on switches/other pots. I can assure you I double checked my solder joints and cleaned the board.

I've built a bunch of moonn boards without issues. This one is too weird but so distinctive maybe it's an easy i.d., so i beseech you my peeps, what do you think this could this be?


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I'm surprised nobody's encountered this yet. I figured non-LFO/clock chip ticking was the sign of a very particular problem, since I have the exact same thing on two very different pedals.

Alright, off we go into audio probe land, since the voltages seem to be nominally working out. This should be interesting. I'm guessing user error in some way.
 
Yep. A NUX OEM 9v and a OneSpot. And they work with other pedals (including moonn pedals).

Even then, I'd expect like a high noise floor or buzzing.

Nope. Total silence and: Piin! ... Piin! ...Piin! ...Piin!

Saw Eby's speech to Am-Can veterans doing some game-like competitions. He seems like a pretty good/for real dude.
 
he's good, I'm glad we have him. I can't imagine what would be going on now if we got rustad in his place, don't even wanna think about it lol.

Something is probably grounding out somewhere, maybe hit the non grounded power rail spots with a continuity test from ground and see what pops up
 
In a different way than continuity?

A good friend of mine has worked in Eby's office since his MLA days, and basically says the same: he is a real deal actual human, not the animatronic sideshows that so often pass for politicians out here in DC.
 
Have you boxed them? It could be RF interference from some other nearby device. (WiFi, Cell phone, etc)
Can try. I did hook up one of the circuits by the input jack to the outside of an enclosure to see if it was insufficient grounding (no change), but it wasn't inside a faraday cage.

Anyway, it doesn't sound like cell phone pinging or other RF (or ticking) I've heard before. That, and the lack of output signal makes me think it's something internal. It's pretty invariant and consistent across *both circuits *. Changing wire positions, pot settings, moving rooms, power supplies changes nothing. That part is what is blowing my mind. I haven't done the analysis, but even though they are "fuzzes," they strike me as really different, so what are the odds that they have the same issue. To me, it's pointing to user error or a component batch error.

But I'll take all comers with suggestion, so we'll see what happens.

My goal is to bring the bestest, most mysteriousest and interestingest troubleshooting threads to the forum, haha!
 
Have you boxed them? It could be RF interference from some other nearby device. (WiFi, Cell phone, etc)
Box and no rocks

Started audio probing and ticking is present on the ground side, so I'm pretty sure there's a ground fault, possibly in ic1 since I get no audio after pin 10/r3

[Edit:] pulled both chips. Not the chips. Beep is everywhere in the circuit, starting at 9v jack hot line.
 
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