Trembling Loon help

rozencratz

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Hi everyone, this is my first non-kit build and unfortunately I'm unable to get a signal through the board. I've resoldered everything, confirmed the right components are in the right spot, it is powered, and I get a signal on bypass. But I'm totally stuck now for days trying to figure out what's wrong and where to go next.

I'd appreciate any insight someone can provide.

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Take your time. A lot (almost all) of your solder joints look cold or wrong in some way. What kind of solder and soldering iron are you using, and did you have success with kits beforehand?

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I did have success on the first try with my 2 kit builds. Using a YIHUA 939D+and 63/37 Rosin Core solder with 1.8% flux 0.8mm.
I'll try desoldering and rebuilding I guess and take some more time with the soldering.
 
Hi everyone, this is my first non-kit build and unfortunately I'm unable to get a signal through the board. I've resoldered everything, confirmed the right components are in the right spot, it is powered, and I get a signal on bypass. But I'm totally stuck now for days trying to figure out what's wrong and where to go next.

I'd appreciate any insight someone can provide.

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I believe the LDR needs to be positioned near the LED and sealed up so no light leaks for testing.
 
you can touch up the solder points without desoldering and doing them over. maybe set your iron just a little bit hotter than you have been doing, make sure the tip is clean. for the places with too much solder put the tip on that spot and melt the solder. make sure the tip is touching the metal contact on the board and the wire. the solder will reflow and some should come off on your tip when you remove it. clean the tip and move on to the next one. for cold-soldered joints the goal is to warm them enough for the solder to reflow to the shape of your "OK" joints marked above.

try fixing all of those solder points and the clean the board by spraying some isopropyl alcohol on it and brushing it with an old toothbrush or similar item. let the board dry and see if it helps you get sound through the board. getting your solder points solid and the board cleaned will at least go a long way toward making your trouble-shooting easier.
 
I’ve moved the LDR to face the LED2, I’ve removed LED 1 since it belongs on the outside of the enclosure. I’ve reflowed all solder and made it nicey-nice. Still nothing.
I built a make shift audio path tracer and get the signal at only 1 side of R18, 1 side of R5, and touching IC1 pin1. I get no signal at IC1 pin 2 and nothing at C8 or later.
Can someone please explain how this is possible and what I can do to fix it?
 

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How are you audio probing this? What tools are you using? What you describe doesn’t make a lot of sense. You can’t have signal at the output of IC1 but not at the input.

One thing others have not mentioned: did you make sure all the components have the correct values? Did you measure them before installing? You can do a visual inspection and read the values now to at least verify that.
 
You are using a breakout for your audio and power jacks? Where is your footswitch connected, do you have a picture that shows all the interconnect wiring?

This seems like I may be missing something, but none of the ground connections are showing at the top or bottom of the board. Is that right?
 
You are using a breakout for your audio and power jacks? Where is your footswitch connected, do you have a picture that shows all the interconnect wiring?

This seems like I may be missing something, but none of the ground connections are showing at the top or bottom of the board. Is that right?
I didn’t connect the footswitch for testing, just running straight from the audio jacks to the PCB IN and OUT. You think. I need to connect the ground at the bottom too? I can try that
 
I didn’t connect the footswitch for testing, just running straight from the audio jacks to the PCB IN and OUT. You think. I need to connect the ground at the bottom too? I can try that
you need to connect the audio jack grounds up top. I think maybe you have no ground for your audio signal to reference so that may be why nothing happens. Your signal is a difference between the tip and ground, not just a single wire.
I want to think on this more on a big screen where I can look a the wiring diagram. I think maybe you also have to jumper from SW to G on the bottom
 
SW/GND at the four solder pads at the bottom is just for the bypass LED. He's using the audio jack daughter board, which is connected, but the connection at the black wire looks like a garbage fire

When you solder wires, do it by stripping 1/4" of insulation off, then twist the strands together to give them strength, then tin the bare wire, which means touch your soldering iron to it to heat it up and then introduce a small amount of solder such that it wicks to and coats the wires. Then put this thru the solder pad and introduce more solder along with heat to the joint. Once it's done trim off the excess. Clean it all up this way and be sure to pay attention to the finer details.

Also your solder joints at the pots esp look cold. You want to turn up your iron to like 750F, or almost all the way, and heat the components for a few secs before introducing solder to the heated components. Then remove the heat once the solder has wicked onto the metal surfaces. The blob shapes on your joints mean the solder wasn't able to flow properly, which means it's not hot enough. You should be able to see the molten solder develop surface tension like water does.

When you solder IC's, you want to use sockets because it makes it 100x easier to remove the IC if there is a problem. Also, it's important to jump around from different pins so you don't concentrate too much heat in one area. The problem you're having where pin 2 of IC1 isn't passing signal could be due to an overheated IC.
 
Yeah @Nostradoomus pointed out the solder joints already. You mentioned you had reflowed the solder joints? Maybe add another picture so we can do further visual inspection?

After another look I do think the GND pads need to be connected to ground too. I didn’t notice that at first. I don’t think the IO board solves that problem.
 
Yeah @Nostradoomus pointed out the solder joints already. You mentioned you had reflowed the solder joints? Maybe add another picture so we can do further visual inspection?

After another look I do think the GND pads need to be connected to ground too. I didn’t notice that at first. I don’t think the IO board solves that problem.
I am pretty sure that the audo in and out grounds aren't connected to the board anywhere in the pics.
 
Thanks everyone for your help. I reflowed or resoldered pretty much everything, attached the footswitch and daughter board and grounded everything. My audio trace indicated a problem with a capacitor which I replaced and it worked. Signal made it out. It was, however, a very scratchy unpleasant tone. It seemed to be coming from a bad solder at pin 2 of the IC. My repeated solder attempts, as well as removing and installing a new IC seems to have damaged the pad there and at pin 3. I definitely don’t have the skill to fix that, so I’ve simply ordered a new PCB and will try again. I took the advice to get sockets and will have those ready for attempt #2 as well.

Thanks again, I learned a lot.
 
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