Your best and worst pedal hot takes? 🔥

falco_femoralis said:
A trill is a type of tremolo where the two alternating notes are no more than a major 2nd apart

Technically my strat is set up to have exactly that much upward pitch bend in the trem. So I guess my guitar has a Fender Synchronized Trill
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Again, this is my hot take but, just because somebody called it the wrong thing doesn't make it so.

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Yep I agree with you, within the world of guitars. The history of the word Tremolo in reference to pitch modulation goes back many hundreds of years in the world of classical music, whereas the guitar and amp derived meanings are only about 70 years old. Look up the wikipedia article on tremolo and the various definitions are listed in the first paragraph.

Add to that the people who named the Vibraphone, which does not produce vibrato at all, and you can see the two terms are used interchangeably, as it says in the first paragraph of your image. The vibraphone preceded Fender's amps by more than a decade, and was a staple in Jazz, one of Fender's target audiences, so it's not a stretch to say that the Vibrato channel on Fender amps was marketed towards these jazz guys who liked the effect of a vibraphone, since it produced the exact same effect.

Everyone likes to shit on LF saying he was such an idiot for mixing up the terms, that tremolo is a volume modulation, but they are missing the bigger picture, which is that in their own way, everyone is an idiot.

My hot take
 
falco_femoralis said:
Yep I agree with you, within the world of guitars. The history of the word Tremolo in reference to pitch modulation goes back many hundreds of years in the world of classical music, whereas the guitar and amp derived meanings are only about 70 years old. Look up the wikipedia article on tremolo and the various definitions are listed in the first paragraph.

Add to that the people who named the Vibraphone, which does not produce vibrato at all, and you can see the two terms are used interchangeably, as it says in the first paragraph of your image. The vibraphone preceded Fender's amps by more than a decade, and was a staple in Jazz, one of Fender's target audiences, so it's not a stretch to say that the Vibrato channel on Fender amps was marketed towards these jazz guys who liked the effect of a vibraphone, since it produced the exact same effect.

Everyone likes to shit on LF saying he was such an idiot for mixing up the terms, that tremolo is a volume modulation, but they are missing the bigger picture, which is that in their own way, everyone is an idiot.

My hot take
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I enjoy a healthy debate :cool:

You are right I am mostly referring to the world of guitar and Leo. But... A couple of points.

The vibraphone actually does produce both tremolo and vibrato. It talks about how in the wiki. That was a new and novel thing at the time so that is why it got the name.

If we are going back in history before concepts were named then you could say that blue and green are the same color because people used to not differentiate between the two. But at some point they were defined as separate things. Vibrato had long been defined by Leo's time.
 
But. But but....
Vibra could also just indicate vibration, which is mentioned in the patent well before vibrato or tremelo.
Can we get back to pedals now?
Side jacks are superior for small pedal boards. There. I said it.
 
jwin615 said:
But. But but....
Vibra could also just indicate vibration, which is mentioned in the patent well before vibrato or tremelo.
Can we get back to pedals now?
Side jacks are superior for small pedal boards. There. I said it.
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But but but but, the first line of that patent, which is for the Musser vibraphone, mentions that it is for a new type of instrument, dated 1961, which was about 30-40 years after the invention and naming of the original vibraphone. From this we can directly infer that this patent is not responsible for the name. The second line mentions that the term is commonly used at present time, which again means this patent didn't name the instrument, and therefore the wording used in the patent to describe its sound isn't from the original source and therefore irrelevant. As it turns out, the end of that same sentence mentions a vibrato effect. Then, at the end of the patent, it goes on to mention the motor and its vanes create a tremolo effect.

All this to say it's not just Fender who mixed up the words, rather he was a symptom of a broader conflation of the two terms, owing to the 3 different definitions of the word Tremolo and, what is likely a marketing gimmick for the Vibrato amps, being that it produces the same effect as a vibraphone.

I agree with you about side jacks, except the power jack should always be on top
 
giovanni said:
I’ve never tried a gravity pick, what are the advantages?
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My experience with the one I bought, it seems to be a bit brighter in tone, it’s a little more grippy in the fingers, doesn’t seem to rotate as much while playing. Before I flattened the tip it glided between on the strings where the Jazz III feel like they grab slightly, I actually really like how they play but it wore down quicker than I expected
 
jwin615 said:
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Side jacks are superior for small pedal boards. There. I said it.
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