COMPLETE 29 Pedals JFET
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Mentaltossflycoon
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Laundryroom David
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Why that friggin cap?! I’m still not over it!
Harry Klippton
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that was a different one
when he was working on his “ground up design” on a “blank sheet of paper” he got a coffee stain on the schematic, misread it, and decided to keep it.
(Or maybe that’s an intentional random bit to confound tracers. If so it’s the most creative part of the design.)
Bricksnbeatles
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We talking that 3.3 zeptofarad capacitor in the EUNA?
Hey now, it could be worse it's not like he's tryna sell a $270 buffer ohwai-
(As I told him in a long deleted thread - he claimed he actually has low margins, lower than other companies, and I 110% believe him.
I 110% believe that he's managed to design a circuit (well, circuits now) with like a dozen components, then hooked it up to an expensive-ass "whatever" power supply that solves a problem nobody has, and shoved it in an expensive-ass oversized custom enclosure that nobody asked for, so that he can justify (to himself, anyway) charging what he does so he can be the "boutique" buffer dude.
And I think that makes for a pretty shitty design philosophy that leads to pretty shitty product that nobody in their right mind should buy.)
jwyles90
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I mean I suppose I can't really fault him for it, if people are going to pay that kind of money for a boost, buffer or OD then more power to him? But yea, I can't imagine the component count on most of those pedals warrants the high price tag.
Big Monk
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The only point I'll add having now designed, from circuit to packaging, some things, is that overall cost has to take into account your time as well and this is a variable that is determined by each person.
I personally HAVE to charge more for my stuff because I only have a limited amount of time to build and it is at a premium for me because it's not anywhere near even a part time gig for me. One of the advantages, however, to building full time should be a devaluing of your time per economies of scale, i.e. if I could build full time, I'd charge less because i could build and ship more units.
Not being an apologist either but the gentleman from 29 Pedals did not seem to be all that unreasonable in his interactions.
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Laundryroom David
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Big Monk
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Much appreciated and I only bring it up because you HAVE to make a decision on what your time is worth. It's unfortunately a part of the equation.
Well, the concept of being upset about tracing can manifest itself different with different builders, and I will agree to agree with you on tracing just being a part of the whole deal and not something to get bent out of shape about. In that sense, 29 Pedals was invariably barking up the wrong tree.
Yet to say he was not aggressively antagonized by persons who are NOT Bugg would be an oversight.
The very presence of this OP on a Wishlist thread for this builder is proof of that.
Laundryroom David
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Fair points. I *cough* may *cough* have been indelicate in my interactions as well. Hmmm.
Big Monk
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It was NOT you, believe me.
Oh I 110% fault him for it.
He may not be selling snake oil, but it’s not that many steps removed from it.
If your niche is selling overpriced boutique versions of things that have no business being boutique-d in the first place, I don’t care how low your margins are, you are still taking advantage of an uninformed customer base and that’s fucked up in my book.
jwyles90
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That's a fair point. I think this is a great example of how having a knowledge of building pedals really changes how we view the pedals out there. Since I started building, I have a hard time justifying buying any drive/fuzz/boost unless it's really special. But if I didn't have that knowledge going into it I might be more inclined to. Not saying it justifies the price tag, but it's pretty clear that builders themselves might not be the target audience here.
Still wouldn't drop $270 on one though...
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I mean regardless of the target audience, $270 is too much for basically anything he’s selling.
If like Wampler made a JFET boost with a charge pump in a 125B, it’d probably be like $100-$150 and I’d call that a fair price to pay, knowing what I know about what it costs to build these things in a reasonable manner to a high standard and still make a living.
This dude artificially inflates the values of his BoM with useless power supplies and oversized enclosures to make his pedals appear to be more than they are.
And I find that distasteful.
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jesuscrisp
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they are actually surprisingly small
Still bigger than a 125B, still bigger than they need to be for what they do, still big enough to show that the designer favors being a "statement piece" more than a functioning pedal.
jesuscrisp
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You'll love JPTR FX.
