COMPLETE 29 Pedals JFET
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caspercody
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I got an email form 29 Pedals about my (1) pedal listing on Reverb for the Skeptical pedal I bought and decided to try and sell.
He said:
The maker of this PCB knows it is wrong, and this clone violates my trademarks. Again, I am a small builder trying to fight piracy.
He said:
The maker of this PCB knows it is wrong, and this clone violates my trademarks. Again, I am a small builder trying to fight piracy.
Laundryroom David
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Feral Feline
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I doubt there's any Trademark infringement; also, Trademarks are territorial and to be fully covered the trademark would have to be registered in all jurisdictions (UK, Zimbabwe etc) ...
I always have interesting conversations with my IP-Lawyer consultant.
I hear there's lots of pirates off the coast of Somalia, that'd be good place to start fighting piracy.
I always have interesting conversations with my IP-Lawyer consultant.
I hear there's lots of pirates off the coast of Somalia, that'd be good place to start fighting piracy.
jimilee
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So was it a clone or an actual pedal?
caspercody
Active member
It is a pedal PCB clone. He says the clone is not close to his design.
Laundryroom David
Keyboard Cowboy 🤠
Do not engage. Just sell it as a buffer that is specifically NOT trying to be his precious.
Robert
Reverse Engineer
Then it's neither a clone, nor piracy, now is it?
You really can't have it both ways.
Feral Feline
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TLDNW
Watched a wee bit of him Harping on with Emily, that was Eunaff
Did take a quick-scroll through the above-posted vid's comments — seems all appear to be from 6 months ago, when the Andertones video was first released, and all seem positively gushing... SPaLoOsH
Certainly gaining traction, but would be so much further along in World Domination if DIYers weren't ruining everything...
Watched a wee bit of him Harping on with Emily, that was Eunaff
Did take a quick-scroll through the above-posted vid's comments — seems all appear to be from 6 months ago, when the Andertones video was first released, and all seem positively gushing... SPaLoOsH
Certainly gaining traction, but would be so much further along in World Domination if DIYers weren't ruining everything...
giovanni
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I agree with this. After all, CVS sells homeopathic medicine (which is literally fresh water) next to Tylenol and people buy that stuff assuming it will do the same job because they don’t know better. And in that case, it actually affects your health. At least an overpriced buffer is not claiming to cure your cold…
swyse
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I'm curious how the listing/pedal was presented, using the actual trademarks could have been the issue unless it was just a bare enclosure compares to bla bla type listing right? I can't remember where I heard about it, but I believe it was on here that I read wampler has had to take action against listings that use his trademarks on the pedals due to how trademark laws work and having to defend it to keep it, despite being a pretty DIY friendly guy in my experience.
giovanni
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This is an interesting point and I agree with it and find myself thinking I will build a certain OD rather than buying it, but I think you can also flip it around. Personally this hobby has given me a lot of appreciation for the industry and the process of making an actual product. I don’t ever feel like my builds are “products” in that way. So I find myself happy to pay for a very well made pedal, with cool graphics, an interesting sounding circuit, reliable customer service and a robust build. I can probably pull off 3 out of those 5 things myself
I still wouldn’t buy 29 Pedals because I think there are better options out there that look just as cool and for less money.
Laundryroom David
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You’d think that
Then it's neither a clone, nor piracy, now is it?
You really can't have it both ways.
Feral Feline
Well-known member
... At least an overpriced buffer is not claiming to cure your cold…
What a great name for it: "COLD BUFFER".
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Seems there are stages in my growth as a DIYer.
Gone are the early days where I thought/realised
"Coly Hrap Matban, this thing's just a few bucks in parts and they want $2Hunnert for it? Screw that!"
Then I learned some more...
Gone too are the naive days where I wanted to do this for a living, after reading extensively the comments by people who've tried to do just that, go pro. The bootiki pedal smarket is saturated more than an over-gained pre-amp, as more & more DIYers test the waters of what the smarket will bear — the amount of time/effort/MOOLAH just to get ready to bring a product to smarket is staggering.
So it's NOT just a few dollars of parts, it's NOT just how much time you'll spend building and whether you can give yourself an hourly drop-in-the-bucket that's above minimum-slavewage — does everything line up? is the powdercoating robust enough? is the requisite part still being made ie enough parts availability to sustain the design long-term? lawyers? IP? accounting? Q-control?...
Ask Sushibox, Big Monk, Mr PedalPCB himself...
I have greater respect for those hustling pedals as a sideline or full-time; and I wonder what I will learn next that will take me to that level-up new knee-deep understanding of this crazy obsession collectively called "pedals".
drgonzo1969
Well-known member
Did the 29 pedals guy come here to the forum to argue about the PPCB version or did he post on YouTube or something?
Harry Klippton
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It was here and it's all long been nuked
Laundryroom David
Keyboard Cowboy 🤠
It was … a lot.
