Awful Waffle

Erik S

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I'm in this game more for the solder fumes than the tone chasing. Builds that don't strike my fancy right away usually just go in the drawer and I move on to something else. This was a rare exception where I put a tiny bit of effort into making something sound different.

Built to spec with a 741 I was into the character - kinda raspy ratty distortion sound, but there was something about how that raspyness sputtered out on the note decay at lower gain levels that I didn't like. It's less noticeable if I'm really playing, and not an issue at all with the gain cranked, but once I fixated on it, I couldn't get past it.

Cut to me spending a whole afternoon loading a bunch of different op amps, strumming a chord and listening to it decay with my eyes closed like I was tasting a fine wine. After the 741 I tried LM308, LM301, SD709, and OP07. I reallly wanted that 709 to work - I have a whole bag of metal can ones I got in an estate lot, and it would be fun to find a use for them. I found a post from a couple years ago where @DGWVI had built one of these with a 709 and I got excited. I tried various arrangements and values of comp caps, but couldn't make a winner out of it. It was a pretty good stand in for the 741, but had the same thing I didn't like.

In the end, the lowly OP07 won the day, but didn't really fix my issue.

Here's a long TGP thread that started from a similar complaint. Maybe an important point in there is that the crackle-sputter thing is much more pronounced at low volumes, low gain levels, and into a clean fender amp. Guilty on all charges there, so maybe this just isn't the right thing for my rig.


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Bummer that you didn't dig it. This is the next pedal in my queue. I built the madbean fritter a couple years ago and really liked the sound but didn't like the 1590a so it went. Still looks great despite the trash can knobs
Pretty sure this was your fault to begin with. :ROFLMAO:


The consensus in that TGP thread seemed to be hotcake = best for Vox and worst for fender, so maybe you've got the right rig for it.
 
What's the accouterments there? Does the 709 need that stuff to work?
It needs a compensation cap between pins 1 and 8. If I understand it right, very early op amps needed this, and more modern ones have internal comp caps built in. I tried a range of values there, first a 33p since I think that's what a rat would use on an LM308, then some much higher values at @DGWVI 's rec. After none of those made me happy, I resorted to actually pulling up the datasheet, and tried adding a resistor and a second cap per this example (not sure that even makes sense in this application since I don't think it's inverting in the hotcake).

It was interesting to experiment with. No cap there and it would whistle and make crazy sounds, so it's definitely needed. Different values affected high frequency noise.

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The fritter calls for a TL071. Maybe you should try that one too
Hmmm. I have some. Not sure why that didn’t make the list.

Here’s a little DI guitar with the kind of crackle-decay I’m talking about. I’ve listened to that sound too much now to feel objective about it. Maybe I’ll pull this back out in a few weeks and see if it still annoys me.

Crackly Waffle
 
I’m interested…
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A quick google gets me to you and @Feral Feline talking blueberries and flapjacks over at the other place.


Did either of you end up trying those mods?


Wow! That thread & topic vacated my memory-banks during/after the move.

Thanks for bringing this back to my attention. Back in the queue it goes...
 
I'm gonna have to build one out this weekend because I've built around five of them and so far I was in love with all of them... such a simple little dirt box and they sounded good.... I never noticed the fizzies or bloom at the end... But then again I was probably bust banging away playing rhythm and not soft notes...
 
My waffle doesn't sound like that

I never noticed the fizzies
I definitely wondered if I did something wrong with my build or if I was losing my mind. I felt better when I found that TGP thread of people having this issue with the originals.

The reason I even bothered messing with different opamps was that I do like the pedal. Tonally, texturally, it's up my alley. I just got fixated on that one little sound-artifact it makes in that one scenario and couldn't get past it.

It also makes sense to me that a chimey sparkly clean fender sound would really emphasize those frequencies.

I've already got more dirt options than anyone could need and like 30 more to build, so this is not an actual problem.
 
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