jimilee
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So this begs the question, would you sell it for what you paid?
King of Tone: what would you do?
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falco_femoralis
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That's somewhat of a loaded question, but you should obviously do your due diligence and research the market to determine selling price.
Feral Feline
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So if he buys it likes it and keeps it he has no integrity?
Just busting yer ballz a wee bit...
Paradox916
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All this talk about integrity or is it ethical… we clone or tweak other people’s unprotected IP here… some of us for profit.
.( not me I hate side hustles) If you can’t laugh at that you take yourself way too seriously
.( not me I hate side hustles) If you can’t laugh at that you take yourself way too seriouslyA friend of mine has been on the list for years and is nearly at the point that he can buy one. He definitely intends to buy one and sell it for profit. I totally agree that scalping has ruined the concert experience for a lot of people but this is a different. There are a gazzilion KoT clones/variations out there or you can get yourself on the list to buy the genuine article if you want. I had one when they first came out (yes I am old) and was extremely disappointed with it. Fortunately it was quite easy to sell, but not at the ridiculous prices we see today. I don't see the attraction. It's ok but there are so many better, fuller-sounding, more usable ODs out there. And there are loads of ODs which sound very, very similar. It just doesn't sound particularly good to me.
But then I don't get the whole Klon thing either. And don't get me started on Tubescreamers!
But then I don't get the whole Klon thing either. And don't get me started on Tubescreamers!
Paradox916
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Ok how about a compromise here, buy it change a box film cap to an MLCC or a carbon comp resistor to a metal film, then sell it…. Boom no more ethical dilemmas.
From the guy ripping off trade dress....
He's not buying all of them.
And times are tough.
...stealing bread, from the mouths of decadence...
It's not hurting Mike. It hurts the lawyers buying the damned things off reverb for 2x the price.
zeropluszero
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If I was on the list, I'd buy it, flip it, and spend the money on Tayda orders.
Like ive been doing on a micro scale the last two years
Like ive been doing on a micro scale the last two years
Robert
Reverse Engineer
Oh I'm sure he does. It's not like he could, you know, put an end to it all by having it mass produced like the rest of his product line.
I'm not even sure that would be a bad thing...
I'll be honest, I'd be a heck of a lot more likely to buy one if it looked more like this:
And less like this:
zeropluszero
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I'd prefer an smd one because then i could post pics of it on TGP
Robert
Reverse Engineer
I'd have absolutely no complaints about an SMD version, personally.
I have mixed feelings about that... I don't argue the negatives of scalping, but at least in the context of objects it sometimes makes certain things available that otherwise might not be.
Take some super rare pedal that was only made in double-digit quantities... the few folks who have one might never consider selling if it weren't for some outrageous artificially inflated price online.
Sure, that lawyer would love to buy one for MSRP, but unfortunately no one is selling for that price.
Harry Klippton
Not Interested
I could also sell my spot in line. Is that unethical?
Robert
Reverse Engineer
No more unethical than having a 5+ year waitlist you admit you may never be able to fill.
(I don't mean that as snarky as it sounds, I just can't think of a nicer way to word it)
jimilee
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The hell is the deal with those pots??
spi
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Wait 6 years, buy it, flip it at 2x cost. Make $300 over 6 years. It's an industry, with fortunes being made.
What about people who buy and don't like it? They can't flip it or they're scum?
It's not even an original circuit.
Harry Klippton
Not Interested
I could give you a sob story but I promised myself I wouldn't overshare on the Internet
I don't get think it's a fallacy at all.
And I think there's way more important ethical/unethical discussions to be had in today's world rather than wasting breath on a pedal builder who intentionally uses scarcity as their business model.
It's no more unethical than buying a '68 bassman for a song and flipping it 2 days later. It's just stuff. We're not bartering organ donations, shorting stock with pension funds or gobbling up massive amounts of affordable housing to turn into rentals. It's a Fn pedal.
There is access to the product but one has to do the work, as Harry did, and get on the list. If he chooses to, after having done the work, profit from his effort and buy groceries for a week or two off said profit, so be it. There's nothing unethical about it. Well, no more than the general capitalism as a whole.
Or, as I said before, buy and resale for the purchase price +incurred fees. But know whoever buys it will likely resale it for a profit at some point once they get that the only thing special about it is it's scarcity.
We could argue that value is had as it's been made by a master craftsman, there by it's origin adds to its intrinsic value. But we've seen the gut shots and the schematic.
And I think there's way more important ethical/unethical discussions to be had in today's world rather than wasting breath on a pedal builder who intentionally uses scarcity as their business model.
It's no more unethical than buying a '68 bassman for a song and flipping it 2 days later. It's just stuff. We're not bartering organ donations, shorting stock with pension funds or gobbling up massive amounts of affordable housing to turn into rentals. It's a Fn pedal.
There is access to the product but one has to do the work, as Harry did, and get on the list. If he chooses to, after having done the work, profit from his effort and buy groceries for a week or two off said profit, so be it. There's nothing unethical about it. Well, no more than the general capitalism as a whole.
Or, as I said before, buy and resale for the purchase price +incurred fees. But know whoever buys it will likely resale it for a profit at some point once they get that the only thing special about it is it's scarcity.
We could argue that value is had as it's been made by a master craftsman, there by it's origin adds to its intrinsic value. But we've seen the gut shots and the schematic.
Harry Klippton
Not Interested
How about a PS5?
Robert
Reverse Engineer
I would honestly almost be willing to trade you....
Bought this for my son at launch, it's been turned on maybe twice.... he hates it, it triggered meltdowns, which is why it's been hidden in this cardboard box for years.
