Professional vs amateur-ish in PCB design

aquataur

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The term „professional“ hast recently undergone severe deterioration. I have to talk about that for a bit. Somebody is deemed „amateurish“ if a person is not good at the elusive task he is trying to accomplish.

This is most certainly the case for music-electronics forae like this, where there quite obviously a war rages over who makes the most appealing PCBs and who the flashiest case and how fast and how many. I assume it is a totally unconscious motivation that leads to such behavior.

Take HAM radio „amateurs“. They are far from this connotation of „amateur“. They are, on the contrary, very knowledgeable in their field and usually fueled by heart and soul. Sometimes not even for applause. Very many inventors belong to that kind and not so much the ones who have a degree in the matter.

„Amateur“ in its original sense means „somebody excels at a certain subject, whose primary motivation is the love for the subject rather than the necessity to earn an income“.

Because if you have to earn an income, you are forced to be effective and efficient. Let’s take the field of guitar effects unit. This is a huge industry branch, and industry primary goal is to make money again and again, and not to make a unit that is long lasting, economic on the long run, repairable and reliable. Their main goal is not to make the best product for the customer, but for their own interest. Things have to hold up only as long as warranty lasts. And of course, they have experts for that – professionals…

So for the badmouthing of amateurs (in the original sense), and the corrosion of the term, it is not far-fetched if one assumes intent. Please take a moment to let the implications of that on your motivations soak in somewhat.

I have been designing PCBs for my whole life, and I have been teaching PCB design for two decades now, but I have to admit to myself that I barely touched upon the surface of this art.

Circuits that process very large or very small signals, very high or low impedances, very high or low frequencies, need ultimate care as far as track layout and component placement goes.

My first and foremost design goals became reliability, low noise, repair-ability, modify-ability, reliability.

Although I like to apply a certain aesthetic touch to my designs, I do not let that interfere with the other goals, since I do not need to cater for volume production. To maintain those criteria, I use the following design approaches:
  • I avoid SMD where possible. Harder to service, harder to solder, harder to see, nearly impossible for the tinkering stage.
  • I avoid plated-through holes where possible. Components are nearly impossible to unsolder. Through hole designs and plated-through PCBs are good for production but bad for repair and tinkering.
  • Avoid direct mounted peripherals like jacks, switches and pots.

    #1 you are designing for an exact footprint. If you cannot get a pot, jack, switch etc. with certain mechanical properties after a while, you are stuck.

    #2 you have to unscrew all pots and jacks and switches to change one single component and them fumble them back in again. If this increases reliability, I don´t know. This is only of interest for mass production.
  • Maintain service-ability. This conflicts with high package density and direct mounting.
  • Layout tracks and components according to engineering considerations, not optics. Sometimes this asks for a bigger case.
  • Leave space for shielding planes to avoid coupling. This can be done on a crowded PCB, but requires ultimate care and knowledge. Splash ground planes can make things far worse, but everybody seems to use them in abundance.
You see that such things can potentially be in conflict with the urge to fit a circuit into a small case. They can also be in conflict with volume designs. For such, compromises have to be made that are not in the sense of the customer, who may want longevity and reliability.

If you look at PCB designs say from Boss, those are genuinely thought about and evolved, although they clearly are not meant to live forever, else they would be out of job soon. Those are made to be „professional“.

However I see plenty of designs predominantly from those who churn out PCBs of clones of boutique units at a phenomenal rate, that are clearly compromised technically. Every Chinese PCB making company makes flashy looking PCBs according to your specs cheaply, so this is not a criterion for a good PCB. Just good looking. Try to unsolder anything on those and you know what i mean. Although those companies are making those boards for a living, I see many boards that seem to be driven by space and good visual appeal. Sometimes I wonder if they just get away with murder with those designs and I wonder how good they are as engineers. You may call those „professional“ too, but the term takes on a different meaning.

And in forae like this I see plenty of people that partake in the PCB war. The designs look flashy, but they only flatter those mentioned before.

For enclosures, I invariably have partaken in the war too for a while, but I have found that in the evening what counts for an enclosure is contrast. I have made endless colorful stomp-boxes that look beautiful, but unfortunately you cannot read neither the knob positions nor the writings under them in a dimly lit environment. Or the paint goes off if you look at them the wrong way.

So I have finally reverted to simple black and white with little embellishments where it does not hurt.

I take pride in being an amateur. In being somebody, who can afford to do the things with love and care, and who is not forced to churn out hundreds of units in order to earn a living. I take pride in producing something, that is technically as good as it can be. That has longevity, service-ability, tinker-ability and reliability. For the utmost benefit of the one who uses it – mostly me. And of course, I take pride to be somebody who does not need other’s applause.

Are you a proud amateur too?
 
I rely on Björn Juhl, close the back lid and hope noone will open it again. Secret trick: No battery operation allowed.
Does anyone else seal the back with black goop or something...😝
 
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🤷‍♂️ I don’t know.

It seems like this declaration is a bit black and white, when there is really a lot more gray.

I’m sure there are people out there at “war” with each other. I don’t know any of them though. From what I’ve seen, there’s more often an appreciation and mutual respect among professional builders. That seems to be the case with a lot of artisan activities.

I have some boss pedals that have been abused and look like shit, but none that have failed. I still have a 25 year old boss pedals on my board. I’d say it’s built to last. Maybe I’m lucky?

I don’t think what I make is any better than any of the professionals hanging out here. To the contrary, I think I have a lot to learn from them. Even if they are doing prefab smd.

I’m not trying to poop on your parade. Being skilled at this craft is an accomplishment, and something to take pride in. I just think ‘professional’ and ‘amateur’ are being stereotyped here.

Also, I don’t know about your definition of an amateur. When I look it up, an amateur can be a novice or highly skilled. They just do it as a pastime.
 
It seems like this declaration is a bit black and white, when there is really a lot more gray.
This is the way I see it. It is just a view, one of many views. Any view is just a snapshot of reality, one facet of an endless number of possible facets. It is just a subjective perception without claim of truth. As such anybody's perception is subjectively true.
The writing serves the sole purpose of contemplating the matter publicly. Like a novel, nobody is forced to read it, nobody needs to consent.
 
Any view is just a snapshot of reality, one facet of an endless number of possible facets. It is just a subjective perception without claim of truth.
Sure, I don’t know what you’ve experienced, and you don’t know what I’ve experienced.
It seems like this declaration is a bit black and white, when but from my perspective there is really a lot more gray.
Better?
 
I appreciate your pride to make a decent product. This is what we call in German "Handwerkerehre" - pride/honour of a craftsman.
But you had me at the word "forae" as a Latin scholar. It's not female but neutrum, so the plural of forum is fora.
 
„Amateur“ in its original sense means „somebody excels at a certain subject, whose primary motivation is the love for the subject rather than the necessity to earn an income“.
Nope. Amateur comes from the latin "amator" which means one who loves. It does not have any implication of excelling at something, it simply means someone who enjoys doing something. There are things that I enjoy doing that I am terrible at, which makes me an amateur at these.

Because if you have to earn an income, you are forced to be effective and efficient. Let’s take the field of guitar effects unit. This is a huge industry branch, and industry primary goal is to make money again and again, and not to make a unit that is long lasting, economic on the long run, repairable and reliable. Their main goal is not to make the best product for the customer, but for their own interest. Things have to hold up only as long as warranty lasts. And of course, they have experts for that – professionals…
I take issue with this statement as well. I am what is likely the minority of hobbyists in that I can be considered a "professional" builder, as my income from building and selling pedals exceeds my income from my actual career, so I will give my thoughts from that regard.

If your goal is to sell as many units as possible, designing something that isn't reliable, assuming people will buy replacements, is a terrible way to do it. Every builder I've talked to designs things to be reliable because you'll get a lot more sales from positive reviews of people that enjoy the product than from repeat sales of "I bought one and it broke so I'm buying another one". The latter approach will yield to a bad reputation, and your brand won't last.

I have a degree in electrical engineering and am employed full-time as a circuit designer, and I follow a similar process in my pedal designs as I do in my day job. This means that I employ what I consider to be best practices of design for manufacturability, design for testability, design for reliability, and design for sustainability. I review my designs carefully at each stage of the design, and in more complex designs I seek out third-party reviewers with experience to look over my work. These are not carelessly thrown together to make a quick dollar from a naive consumer. I consider my products to be well-designed and well-built. That is what professional means.

There is no shame in being an amateur, but I don't like the implication that there is shame in being a professional.
 
I am not torn between showing my PCBs to you and hiding them from you.

Although for the optical aspect, there is a trick: align to grid, order only Würth and WIMA capacitors on a black PCB. Looks classy 50% of the time, all the time.
 
There is no shame in being an amateur, but I don't like the implication that there is shame in being a professional.

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Nope. Amateur comes from the latin "amator" which means one who loves. It does not have any implication of excelling at something, it simply means someone who enjoys doing something. There are things that I enjoy doing that I am terrible at, which makes me an amateur at these.
Yep—and that definition carries over in modern use within Romance languages.

This may be out of scope from the OP: I think that in colloquial use (at least in the US), the professional/amateur dichotomy comes from sports classifications and attitudes toward money rather than etymologic roots (which you hit on as well). Professional athletes make money from their sport whereas amateurs do not (note: this distinction isn't as clean now as it had been in the past). It seems that outside of sports, the pro/am binary is used to assign members of classes and as an indication of authority, as it suggests the 'pro' is more serious than the amateur: they must be since they have a material stake and, presumably, have invested time, money, etc. into getting to that point. Abstracting from there, it reveals itself to be a rather absurd basis for predicting expertise, skill, craftsmanship, etc. It dismisses passion, interest, skill, determination as motivators and relies entirely on how a person makes money.
 
Since this seems to invite discussion, here's my C$0.02.

  • I avoid SMD where possible. Harder to service, harder to solder, harder to see, nearly impossible for the tinkering stage.
(n) Disagree on all counts. I do all of the above on a regular basis and actually prefer it to doing the same with through hole parts. YMMV.

  • I avoid plated-through holes where possible. Components are nearly impossible to unsolder.
(n) I couldn't disagree any stronger. I avoid non-plated-through holes like the plague. Single-sided PCBs are the bane of my existence as a repair guy. No mechanical strength, pads just lift off and solder joints crack around the component legs under the smallest of stresses. Yes, it's easier to unsolder, but you often end up with a lifted or broken pad, especially with older, "cooked" PCBs. I wouldn't use single-sided PCBs (non-PTH) even for the simplest of designs.

  • Avoid direct mounted peripherals like jacks, switches and pots.
🤌 For one-offs, sure. I disagree, though, if you're making stuff in any kind of quantity >2 or so. Offboard wiring gets really, really old and time-consuming when making multiple units (unless you like sweatshop-type work).

  • Maintain service-ability. This conflicts with high package density and direct mounting.
(n) There's no conflict if you're reasonably good at servicing. Especially if you design the thing to minimize the need for servicing in the first place (no non-plated-through holes, no Amazon-grade pots/jacks/switches, among other things).

  • Layout tracks and components according to engineering considerations, not optics. Sometimes this asks for a bigger case.
👍 If a layout looks too deliberately pretty or with forced symmetry, I'm suspicious. Robert's are probably fine, though :)

  • Leave space for shielding planes to avoid coupling. This can be done on a crowded PCB, but requires ultimate care and knowledge. Splash ground planes can make things far worse, but everybody seems to use them in abundance.
👍👎 Mixed feelings. In my experience it's been relatively hard to royally eff up a ground plane in pedal-related designs (not a very demanding application). I definitely haven't applied "ultimate care and knowledge" in my ground plane designs, yet I've had zero issues. They've universally made things better for me despite probably not doing them entirely "by the book". I don't even have the book. Of course, other more-demanding applications require more care.

For enclosures, I invariably have partaken in the war too for a while, but I have found that in the evening what counts for an enclosure is contrast. I have made endless colorful stomp-boxes that look beautiful, but unfortunately you cannot read neither the knob positions nor the writings under them in a dimly lit environment. Or the paint goes off if you look at them the wrong way.
👍 Agreed. I'm in the "this is not an arts-and-crafts project, it's technology" camp. I feel the UI has to be very legible, logical and professional. You know, kind of like Boss pedals? But hey, if you want to make an art project out of it, by all means.
 
I think, like JCPST intimated, we've collectively conflated amateur with novice, but just ask a linguist what it's like to revert colloquial appropriation. But semantics, semantics.

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Outside of a small minority (give me names...) in our sphere anyway, I find the claim of deliberate lack of longevity and/or antagonistic propriety questionable. Not wrong, questionable. If a component goes bad, it's in warranty, and the creator offers to fix it, great. If not, that's another conversation. If it's out of warranty and I need to fix it myself? I'll do it. Have I gotten cussy over the way things are assembled? Sure!

If SMD is harmful to consumers, I don't know what to tell you. Is that to infer that everything should be 100% hand-assembled? Clarification needed.

A number of successful and very good folks here use SMD, otherwise the labor cost and/or customer wait time ascends to a level some people aren't able to comfortably sit in, and I don't hold that against them.

jtex said it as well.

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As far as enclosures, I'm a graphic designer for over 20 years, and user experience is my current profession, and it's something I think about. Have I always executed it well in my own builds? no 😅, but haste is a vice. I'll offer general advice here and there, but as much as I could rip individual designs in pieces, I don't want to do that, because I know what it's like being on the other end, and if you're not familiar, it's going to come off as a personal attack. And maybe you're not open to change anyway 🤷‍♂️ so again, I tend to steer away from unsolicited, deep critique. I don't want to sound arrogant, but I feel like unless someone has opened their work up for critique, me just going around and pointing things out would be punching down, and just generally being an arse biscuit.
 
I avoid SMD where possible. Harder to service, harder to solder, harder to see, nearly impossible for the tinkering stage.
I avoid plated-through holes where possible. Components are nearly impossible to unsolder.
Others have said the same before me, but neither of these is impossible or particularly difficult with proper experience and proper tools.

Avoid direct mounted peripherals like jacks, switches and pots.
Personally, as long as there are enough support points using the hardware you've listed, I'd rather rely on threaded connections with washers, lock washers, and nuts than a plastic PCB standoff holding the board in place relying solely on a small piece of adhesive between it and the enclosure. Metal standoffs are another option, but they also require running leads to all external components. This leads into another personal preference of mine, less wiring is better. For me, servicing and reassembling a non-functional effects unit with wiring harnesses going every which direction is substantially more onerous than having board-mounted components. Additionally, if proper care is not taken when running these wires to each external component, you could potentially end up with noise issues.

#1 you are designing for an exact footprint. If you cannot get a pot, jack, switch etc. with certain mechanical properties after a while, you are stuck.
Easy to fix, don't use exotic/non-standard parts. I don't know how long the standard toggle switch or 16mm right angle PCB-mounted potentiometer has been around, but I don't see them going anywhere anytime soon.

For enclosures, I invariably have partaken in the war too for a while, but I have found that in the evening what counts for an enclosure is contrast.
Clear and concise labeling is certainly important. It's equally important that a pedal inspires someone to pick up their instrument and play. Fancy artwork may be what drives someone to use the pedal or it may be what helps a pedal sell. Either way, I quite like that we live in a world where pedals look different from each other and we get to see creative folks express themselves with more than just their music.
 
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