I know quite a few buy them coz a new PCB becomes available!!!You'll never convince me that people are out there buying pedals based on nothing more than hype......
YATS Wampler style
- Thread starter jimilee
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Well, you learn something new everyday, now I will have to build it!
I remember purchasing a MS10 Metal Charger for like $30.00 at a Hock Shop like 12 years ago.
It was the shittiest pedal I have witnessed from Ibanez with the Build quality!
Within the hour I had some really shiny 4 - JRC4558D Op Amps that I could use in a future build!!!
The rest went in the BIN!!!
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swyse
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If you build one I'd love to know if you can hear a difference at all, I couldn't really tell much of a difference personally.
Chuck D. Bones
Circuit Wizard
Build a Frost Drive (VFE Ice Scream), that's all the TS you'll ever need.
Or Gilmour either. My favorite guitarist. His precision & technique are awesome. Butt-eye digress...
jesuscrisp
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I am pretty sure it doesn't make a noticeable difference, but sure....
jimilee
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Yep, I go back and forth on the spelling all the time. Those silly Brits.
swyse
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It's maybe not something you hear.... sure... but it's more about the "feel"... the way it gives under the fingers when you play... the way it's so much more touch sensitive and responds to the most minute details. That's the magic of the random extra 220 ohm resistor for me.
swyse
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Just a little joke, I don't think anyone could tell the difference and the differences would be more logically attributed to pot and capacitor tolerances than this small resistor! Unless of course you're looking to buy one in which case I take payments and you'll never hear a richer mid range.I cant tell if you’re joking or being serious
Haha well done
cdwillis
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I've got notifications turned on for Wampler's youtube channel so I was the first comment on the video. I respect Brian a lot, but at the same time I was like YATS?? I should have suspected a mini screamer was in the pipeline given that they've been releasing mini versions of their drive pedals. Out of curiosity I looked up the TS-10 schematic and there are different versions floating around, one that had the input buffer stage biased at 6.34v instead of 4.5v. It's a 9.2k/22k voltage divider vs the usual 10k/10k or whatever. Not sure if that's right or if it is how it effects the sound. The op amp itself was still biased to 4.5v.
swyse
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As a buffer I don’t think you would see much tonal impact on the sound with the bias differences when used alone, but I suppose if you had a large enough signal coming in you would have the transistor clip asymmetrically. Also I believe 9.2k is a typo and it’s 9.1k(white brown red) which makes way more sense from a manufacturing standpoint because of the more standard values.
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ChrsGuit
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And I'm not really sure why the TS-808 us so hyped. SRV used a TS-9 most of his career...
ChrsGuit
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That's where I get confused... Because I have always seen the hype, but then also hear "a tube screamer is a tube screamer..." I've had an Ibanez Tone Lok TS-7, Way Huge Green Rhino, A Line 6 DM-4 with the T.S setting as my #1 preset, a Sonicake Blue Skreamer, a Demon-fx Screamer (you could toggle between 808 and 9), An Ibanez TS-808 Reissue, and a JHS-Screamer... EVERY ONE of them was different... Surprisingly the JHS Screamer, TS-7 and Sonicake were the best. DM4 and Demon FX were fine, and my least favorite were the Green Rhino and TS-808.
So, I guess my question would be "if each generation of TS saw circuit/component changes, and one component can alter the sound, wouldn't it be fair to say there IS something to the idea that there is a sound difference? That's not to say one is "better" or not... My list above shows my opinion... TS-808 was my worst T.S. It sounded dull and sterile. Green Rhino added tone shaping options but didn't really seem to make a difference.
ALL THAT being said, Pedals have always been a consistent standard til I started building them... "oh, you have enough consistency trouble with guitars, pickups, amps, tubes, wall voltage, cable length, etc? Spoiler alert, Pedals can each sound different depending on what component has drifted or was out of spec during manufacturing. "
swyse
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I think everything makes a difference, but different people have different lines of where it actually matters to them. I think a tube screamer is a tube screamer, you get the same general tone shaping out of it and once it’s out the other end of a juiced tube amp and speaker cab your minute differences between the few components that change in Ibanez versions aren’t going to be make or break for your tone, especially if you have other effects going. I think once you get to the realm of modded tube screamers with wildly different specs and parts you aren’t really dealing with the same thing. With overdrives I feel like once it goes through the whole signal chain and through the mics onto the recording and is mixed and mastered no one will know for sure if you used a tube screamer at all unless you tell them. I think there is a surprising amount of value in FEELING like you have the right tone or a tone that is what you want as a player, so I’m happy that people can have their many overdrive options and find the exact one that makes them feel good even if no one besides them will be able to tell.That's where I get confused... Because I have always seen the hype, but then also hear "a tube screamer is a tube screamer..." I've had an Ibanez Tone Lok TS-7, Way Huge Green Rhino, A Line 6 DM-4 with the T.S setting as my #1 preset, a Sonicake Blue Skreamer, a Demon-fx Screamer (you could toggle between 808 and 9), An Ibanez TS-808 Reissue, and a JHS-Screamer... EVERY ONE of them was different... Surprisingly the JHS Screamer, TS-7 and Sonicake were the best. DM4 and Demon FX were fine, and my least favorite were the Green Rhino and TS-808.
So, I guess my question would be "if each generation of TS saw circuit/component changes, and one component can alter the sound, wouldn't it be fair to say there IS something to the idea that there is a sound difference? That's not to say one is "better" or not... My list above shows my opinion... TS-808 was my worst T.S. It sounded dull and sterile. Green Rhino added tone shaping options but didn't really seem to make a difference.
ALL THAT being said, Pedals have always been a consistent standard til I started building them... "oh, you have enough consistency trouble with guitars, pickups, amps, tubes, wall voltage, cable length, etc? Spoiler alert, Pedals can each sound different depending on what component has drifted or was out of spec during manufacturing. "
Laundryroom David
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Can we sticky this?
ChrsGuit
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Exactly this... Some say "it doesn't matter" just like I've heard "A Strat is a Strat"... or "Marshall amps all sound the same"
Kinda reminds me of the videos where someone says "you can get the tone with any clean Fender amp"... There's a HUGE difference between a champ, a Super Reverb, and a Twin. circuit wise, speakers, tube layout, etc..
