Let's review footswitches.
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The LMS are custom stamped Gorvas and have been from the beginning
Manufacturers make different levels of product for different levels of customers, depending on the customer’s specifications. One example, LG makes displays for everyone from Monoprice to Apple, but Apple is willing to pay more for higher-end product with tighter QC.
Dailywell may indeed be the manufacturer of the Gorva switch (I bet, like most industries, there are probably really only 2-3 choices (them and Alpha I guess?) if you want thousands of your product made consistently), but the design itself is still from Gorva (like the first post, Gorva did post a lot during the development process of the switch to social media) and they’re likely more tightly QC’d than most of Dailywell’s other customers.
I personally love the @StompBoxParts blue-epoxy 3PDTs, and their green-body-with-blue-epoxy before that. The click is satisfying while not being hard, and the epoxy takes heat like a *champ*. And of course, no white washer
(The red epoxy is equally great, I just don’t like heavy clicks)
@Stickman393 Any chance you can get a hold of the old Mammoth Pro 3PDT to compare? It had a green body and a softer click (sound familiar?), Gorva name-checked it a lot when developing their footswitch as the standard that they wanted to meet/exceed, and I’m pretty sure SBP’s green-body-with-blue-epoxy had a similar design goal.
Manufacturers make different levels of product for different levels of customers, depending on the customer’s specifications. One example, LG makes displays for everyone from Monoprice to Apple, but Apple is willing to pay more for higher-end product with tighter QC.
Dailywell may indeed be the manufacturer of the Gorva switch (I bet, like most industries, there are probably really only 2-3 choices (them and Alpha I guess?) if you want thousands of your product made consistently), but the design itself is still from Gorva (like the first post, Gorva did post a lot during the development process of the switch to social media) and they’re likely more tightly QC’d than most of Dailywell’s other customers.
I personally love the @StompBoxParts blue-epoxy 3PDTs, and their green-body-with-blue-epoxy before that. The click is satisfying while not being hard, and the epoxy takes heat like a *champ*. And of course, no white washer
(The red epoxy is equally great, I just don’t like heavy clicks)
@Stickman393 Any chance you can get a hold of the old Mammoth Pro 3PDT to compare? It had a green body and a softer click (sound familiar?), Gorva name-checked it a lot when developing their footswitch as the standard that they wanted to meet/exceed, and I’m pretty sure SBP’s green-body-with-blue-epoxy had a similar design goal.
Bricksnbeatles
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There are now two imposter stickmen
finebyfine
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Y'all wouldn't be ready for my manuscript length posts if we did this thread but about knobs
benny_profane
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I’ll gladly sit on that dissertation committee.
Stickman393
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@manfesto I don't have any access to the old ones, unless the SBP blue b-stock are the same...
Not outside the realm of possibility, certainly, seeing as how SBP bought up all of the old mammoth stuff.
Re: different levels of quality and QC: this is very much true, though I can't help but wonder how much got changed on the inside.
Contact resistance for all three is <30 milliohms, all three are rated for 30k cycles, similar insulation resistance and dielectric strength.
The biggest difference appears to be the force required to actuate, @1kgf vs 3kgf. Even the tolerance for that value seems to be around the same from a percentage standpoint...
But...I'm no expert on switch design and manufacturing. Pretty damn far from it, actually.
If I seem ambivalent, it's because I am. Because it seems like everything in the world of audio needs to be viewed through a skeptical lens, cause them snake oil salesmen be...like...everywhere.
Not outside the realm of possibility, certainly, seeing as how SBP bought up all of the old mammoth stuff.
Re: different levels of quality and QC: this is very much true, though I can't help but wonder how much got changed on the inside.
Contact resistance for all three is <30 milliohms, all three are rated for 30k cycles, similar insulation resistance and dielectric strength.
The biggest difference appears to be the force required to actuate, @1kgf vs 3kgf. Even the tolerance for that value seems to be around the same from a percentage standpoint...
But...I'm no expert on switch design and manufacturing. Pretty damn far from it, actually.
If I seem ambivalent, it's because I am. Because it seems like everything in the world of audio needs to be viewed through a skeptical lens, cause them snake oil salesmen be...like...everywhere.
fig
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Well, to be fair....his name is manifesto....er...no it isn't...see explanation beneath my name.
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Stickman393
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Nah dude, it's manfesto
Like, man, festool is fucking expensive. What the actual fuck. You want HOW much for a sander?
Like, man, festool is fucking expensive. What the actual fuck. You want HOW much for a sander?
Harry Klippton
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fig
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Sorry what? I was searching for GØRVA SPST Soft Clicks.
Stickman393
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Lemmie know when ya find one. I wanna do a head to head shootout with the demont.Sorry what? I was searching for GØRVA SPST Soft Clicks.
We will find the best momentary if we have to bend the space-time continuum to do so.
I have more:
The alphas have some distinguishing characteristics...but these are the most noticable.
See those raised letters on the bottom? No? Well, good I marked em.
Dang, when I bought the last of the clearanced Mammoth greens from SBP I *knew* I should’ve held onto one, for history’s sake.
In general I agree (a not-insignificant amount of my professional history has involved cost optimization, which is like 75% sniffing out snake oil salesmen and 25% finding the most reputable Chinese vendor with the best QC-to-cost ratio) and if I weren’t (weirdly) familiar with the story of the Gorva footswitch I’d certainly be more suspicious.
One bit of evidence that speaks to custom design of the Gorva is that, at the time it came out (I bought a few to test), the PedalPCB 3PDT breakout board didn’t fit (it’s since been redesigned with wider universal holes), the holes weren’t quite aligned with the Gorva but still fit perfectly on China blues that probably came from the same factory. This was, frankly, *super* annoying at the time - I’d just assumed the Gorva was a 3PDT that was spec’d with low actuation force and tight QC, not something that was fundamentally different in size and shape from its competition, to the point that near-universal things like breakout boards didn’t even fit. I don’t know the design reason for the lug spacing to be *slightly* different than other 3PDTs, but the fact that it’s there means that Dailywell didn’t make them on the same line as their other products (not saying better or worse, just saying different)
finebyfine
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I actually found my OG post about it (post #5 in this thread), and turns out I misremembered earlier and the first few batches of Gorvas that LMS sold weren’t custom stamped yet!
Gorva 3pdt Soft Click
Just came across these: Gorva 3PDT Soft Click Switches I was wondering if anyone has used them? I assume they are not as silent as using a relay and momentary switch, but wanted to know how if there were as good as These from Lovemyswitches which are way more expensive. Thanks!
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Well let's crack 'em open!
Left to right: Alpha, Tayda (1.1kg version), Vimex, Gorva, Dailywell
Probably not super useful without details pics, but construction of Alpha and Tayda is similar but without a doubt different. Tayda has a softer casing, and the spring is has less tension, giving it the lighter click.
Vimex is nice, doesn't have the PCB corners that the rest of the switches have. Vimex, dailywell, and gorva have the thickest plastic casing (by only a little), making the casing feel a bit sturdier.
Gorva/Dailywell appear to have identical tooling with a few aesthetic differences that do not indicate that they are different manufacturer: green casing and doesn't have the dailywell stamp on the top metal piece with the clasps. Gorva obviously has a lighter spring. The internal rocker and contacts (which are visually different than the other three) look identical.
Internal rocker pieces and plungers are very similar amongst all of them despite different colors.
Someone else will have to do @fig's hammer test, I think these have seen enough.
Left to right: Alpha, Tayda (1.1kg version), Vimex, Gorva, Dailywell
Probably not super useful without details pics, but construction of Alpha and Tayda is similar but without a doubt different. Tayda has a softer casing, and the spring is has less tension, giving it the lighter click.
Vimex is nice, doesn't have the PCB corners that the rest of the switches have. Vimex, dailywell, and gorva have the thickest plastic casing (by only a little), making the casing feel a bit sturdier.
Gorva/Dailywell appear to have identical tooling with a few aesthetic differences that do not indicate that they are different manufacturer: green casing and doesn't have the dailywell stamp on the top metal piece with the clasps. Gorva obviously has a lighter spring. The internal rocker and contacts (which are visually different than the other three) look identical.
Internal rocker pieces and plungers are very similar amongst all of them despite different colors.
Someone else will have to do @fig's hammer test, I think these have seen enough.
Harry Klippton
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How could you leave out the exalted croc
giovanni
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I wonder if, after making Gorva's switches, Dailywell switched the rest of their line over to use the same tooling. The only way to check would be to have a Dailywell switch from like 2019 to compare the build, and I'm assuming nobody has any laying around.
I had the same thought when, after SBP started offering its switch in two levels of actuation force (35oz and 75oz), it seemed within a few weeks *suddenly* Tayda started making two $2.30 switches, one with an actuation force of 1.1Kg (pretty close to 35oz) and one with an actuation force of 2.0Kg (pretty close to 75oz).