Lol wut?

I don't think they attack small businesses. They attack specific marketing wording where there is trademark infringement. It's high profile enough that they can't deny they weren't aware of it.

Good for them too. Fuck that con man and everyone that chooses to associate with him.
Nah. Gibson weilds their trademark rights like a giant banhammer. Most of the time it never gets beyond the cease-and-desist stage when it comes to small builders.

The lawsuits that make the news are them going after warwick, or PRS, or Dean. Cause they had the resources to fight back.

But small builders, generally, don't. They don't have pockets deep enough. They just comply with the cease and desist most of the time.

Doesn't necessarily hurt the small builders all that much if they just comply, but it represents Gibson pushing their significant weight around in what some (including me) might call "bullying" behavior in trying to stomp out as much competition as they're legally allowed to.

There are differing opinions on the specifics of the trademark rights they're defending. I'm in the camp of "Gibson goes after builders of all sizes for vague similarities to 70 year old designs and can go fuck themselves". Personally.

Honestly, I wanna see these guys take Gibson to court and fight it out. Let 'em waste their resources on this nonsense. I'll be on the sidelines eating popcorn.
 
It is a global thing.
Yeah, kind of a push and pull. Argentina's got their own deal right now. Brazil experimented with it briefly.

I mean...politics. I'm the kind of cynical that only comes from aligning with a particular facet of political theory that has been historically abhored within mainstream US politics.

For a touchstone: think Dennis, the Constitutional Peasant from Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail.

You cant expect to weild supreme executive power just cause some watery tart threw a sword at you.
 
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What did it say, limited run of 1500 units? I find it hard to believe that many real patriots bought this aesthetic masterpiece.

But if so, I hope they remembered to budget for the 25-35% tariffs because these are made in China, as most American flag-laden products tend to be.
 
Nah. Gibson weilds their trademark rights like a giant banhammer. Most of the time it never gets beyond the cease-and-desist stage when it comes to small builders.

The lawsuits that make the news are them going after warwick, or PRS, or Dean. Cause they had the resources to fight back.

But small builders, generally, don't. They don't have pockets deep enough. They just comply with the cease and desist most of the time.

Doesn't necessarily hurt the small builders all that much if they just comply, but it represents Gibson pushing their significant weight around in what some (including me) might call "bullying" behavior in trying to stomp out as much competition as they're legally allowed to.

There are differing opinions on the specifics of the trademark rights they're defending. I'm in the camp of "Gibson goes after builders of all sizes for vague similarities to 70 year old designs and can go fuck themselves". Personally.

Honestly, I wanna see these guys take Gibson to court and fight it out. Let 'em waste their resources on this nonsense. I'll be on the sidelines eating popcorn.
I disagree. Gibson weildes their rights the same as every other company does. Fender and all the others do the same thing.

I think you misunderstood what I meant by "high profile". I'm not referring to Gibson sending the cease and decist or even the potential legal case that may ensue. I'm referring to the marketing campaign for the guitar and its associated endorser. It's not something that Gibson can say "whoops we missed that one". Because of the high profile nature, they legally had to go after them, big or small or whoever. I don't think it's fair to give them shit for the same thing everyone else does and is required to do.

I don't really give a damn if either side sues one or the other out of business doing this. It's all the capitalism bullshit we live under but its what we have right now. I will have some popcorn too.
 
I disagree. Gibson weildes their rights the same as every other company does. Fender and all the others do the same thing.

I think you misunderstood what I meant by "high profile". I'm not referring to Gibson sending the cease and decist or even the potential legal case that may ensue. I'm referring to the marketing campaign for the guitar and its associated endorser. It's not something that Gibson can say "whoops we missed that one". Because of the high profile nature, they legally had to go after them, big or small or whoever. I don't think it's fair to give them shit for the same thing everyone else does and is required to do.

I don't really give a damn if either side sues one or the other out of business doing this. It's all the capitalism bullshit we live under but its what we have right now. I will have some popcorn too.

I understand your point.

I'd also like to make it clear where I'm coming from:

Yes, absolutely, this is high profile. I wouldn't argue that. It seems like it's pretty close to a direct ripoff too. Not even close to the more frivolous lawsuits they've filed in other high profile cases.

My comment is more in regards to how Gibson tends to be pretty ruthless in how they enforce their trademark rights: it's not actually true that they *have* to enforce their trademark rights like they do. It's a privately owned company; they're not bound to the fiduciary duty to their shareholders by protecting their assets like how a publicly traded company would.

In contrast, Gibson chooses to engage in this way because it perpetuates their control over specific styles of guitars in such a way that prevents others from being able to directly compete. Which...according to US trademark law...is their right.

And yeah, other privately owned companies do the same thing. It's normal, to a certain extent. There's a reason you don't see anybody making anything similar to a Rickenbacker.

It also gets a little crazy, like when Gibson sued the makers of guitar hero for their plastic game controller. This was even though they had a licencing agreement with them. Or when Gibson sued Funko, because apparently slash holding a Gibson could be misinterpreted as an official Gibson-made product? Wild.

Theres other critiques I have. Like when their CEO thought that the best place to have a live interview about how the government was trying to crush business after Gibson got caught with their hand in the cookie jar for their LACI Act violations was...Infowars.

Sure, that was back in 2012. But jeeeeeeezus, guys.

I mean: I own a Gibson. A 1990 Gibson Les Paul Studio Lite. Love it. But, as a company, I would argue that they've carried themselves poorly in the public space. Which is why I'm not particularly rooting for them in this case, even if the other side is as scammy as the sky is blue.

I swear to God, though, anybody else starts drawing stick figures on guitar pedals I WILL COME FOR YOU.
 
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I disagree. Gibson weildes their rights the same as every other company does. Fender and all the others do the same thing.

I think you misunderstood what I meant by "high profile". I'm not referring to Gibson sending the cease and decist or even the potential legal case that may ensue. I'm referring to the marketing campaign for the guitar and its associated endorser. It's not something that Gibson can say "whoops we missed that one". Because of the high profile nature, they legally had to go after them, big or small or whoever. I don't think it's fair to give them shit for the same thing everyone else does and is required to do.

I don't really give a damn if either side sues one or the other out of business doing this. It's all the capitalism bullshit we live under but its what we have right now. I will have some popcorn too.
I feel like, it was a combination of who it was and what it was. Honestly, I thought it was a Gibson at first, but I thought no way they’d get into the political ring.
 
I feel like, it was a combination of who it was and what it was. Honestly, I thought it was a Gibson at first, but I thought no way they’d get into the political ring.
I mean...

If Henry Juszkiewicz was still CEO, I could totally see this being a thing.
 
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