Need A Bass Compressor and Envelope Filter

[eh là bas ma]

Contrary to popular belief, a lot can be used on bass with no problem. I don’t gig anymore but I did for years. The only real issues I’ve found is with dirt, which most can be modified.

I noticed that this statement is raising a few interesting points :

"A lot can be used on Bass with no problem" : No problem, like no major bass cut, no calibration on the wrong frequencies ?
Many guitar effects are partially working on bass. Is "partially working" good enough ?

Even with modulations, playing bass with a CE-2 or a CE-2b, you will hear the difference. A CE-2 is ok, as long as you didn't try a CE-2b, then you can feel the CE-2 isn't working as well as a CE-2b, and CE-2 isn't good enough anymore.

If the situation was reversed, and guitarists were in dire need of effects calibrated for their needs, if they could only find mostly bass effects and, years later, got used to it, wouldn't they feel like there are "no problem" ?

"most can be modified" : So that's it ? bass players just have to entirely reshape guitar circuits forever, because any circuit can be modified ?
Why not sell pre-modified pcb then, if it could save some time to many people ?

Wouldn't you be a bit frustrated as a guitar player, if you could only modify some effects calibrated for other instruments ? Playing an ODB-3 with the tone all cranked up, would it be perfectly ok, just as good as having an OD-3 ? Take it or mod it ?

Let's be reasonable...

Edit : Here is a mod exemple, converting a Klon for Bass :

So that's how it looks. I mean who can do that ? You have to be a circuit wizard, or electronic engineer to come up with this kind of modifications for every circuits. "most can be modified" sure, but you have to be quite knowledgeable ?

 

[Harry Klippton]

Good grief

 

[Guardians of the analog]

I guess that if you look at the pedal industry as a whole, the market is geared toward guitarists in general and the amount of pedals made just for bass players is a small percentage of that. Can't get mad if the diy market is a reflection of the commercial market.

 

[BuddytheReow]

Before this gets out of hand, I do agree that there are many effects that work on both instruments and guitar takes the lion’s share of the pedal market. Most times if you’re a gigging bassist your job is to sound like a bass. Me being a bedroom/basement player it doesn’t really matter what my tone is as long as I like it and have fun. It’s just a hobby, you know. That being said, I really only have a good working knowledge of many dirt topographies. Compressors, modulation, EQ to some degree not as much. Knowing that guitarists rule the pedal world I’m just wondering what’s out there that works pretty darned well for both with some modifications if anyone can shed some light. I’ll attempt to breadboard them of course but I just need a point in the right direction.

 

[peccary]

"If you need anything more than your fingers on the strings to get the perfect tone you're doing it wrong."

-half of all bassists, probably

 

[Guardians of the analog]

"If you need anything more than your fingers on the strings to get the perfect tone you're doing it wrong."

-half of all bassists, probably

 

[andare]

"If you need anything more than your fingers on the strings to get the perfect tone you're doing it wrong."

-half of all bassists, probably

The other half play active 6 string wenge and purpleheart basses with cocobolo ramps and gold hardware with a drop-D locking tuner into preamps into high pass filters into 4-figure tube DIs.

 

[Guardians of the analog]

The other half play active 6 string wenge and purpleheart basses with cocobolo ramps and gold hardware with a drop-D locking tuner into preamps into high pass filters into 4-figure tube DIs.

Unlike those clowns cokie knows he's a joke

 

[andare]

Unlike those clowns cokie knows he's a joke
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No idea who that is. A punk band?

 

[Guardians of the analog]

No idea who that is. A punk band?

 

[DGWVI]

Knowing that guitarists rule the pedal world I’m just wondering what’s out there that works pretty darned well for both with some modifications if anyone can shed some light. I’ll attempt to breadboard them of course but I just need a point in the right direction.

Technically speaking several of my instruments are dubbed six string basses, I just tune them up to baritone range

I'm confident my earlier recommendations would work for you with only minor mods, if you even deem those necessary. The CDXL and Waddle are both band pass, so you'll lose a small amount of low-end due the nature of the filter, but that frequency band can be shifted downward. There are also relatively non-invasive hacks to turn each into low pass filters

 

[Passinwind]

I'm looking forward to this collab. You got pics of that Bean?

Scratching slide bass on my kitty castration song at a fairly uptown winery open mic in Hood River:



I bought that bass brand new in '77 and owned it for 40 years, sold it to a Dutch guy, and it's in Germany now.



It was originally white, like Bill Wyman's custom short scale version from the Some Girls era.

 

[Mentaltossflycoon]

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We can feed your family, not our own. Fries with that?

 

[Feral Feline]

Interesting ideas, although many of the above are non-PedalPCB boards. Any ideas how to tune some of the compressor boards here for bass? Like I said I've got a gift card that I'm itching to use here...

My votes:

For the funk the Waddlebox (FX25) and/or the Poison Apple (SWAH).

For the comp the Creamery (Milkbox) for compression-as-effect, Delegate Boneyard or Thumbsucker for utility-compression.

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Let's be reasonable...
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So that's how it looks. I mean who can do that ? You have to be a circuit wizard, or electronic engineer to come up with this kind of modifications for every circuits. "most can be modified" sure, but you have to be quite knowledgeable ?

Soyons raisonnables, en effet !
Rester calme, SVP!

Je suis bassiste, aussi!


I've got most of the circuits you mention *(and I will get the 3 that I don't have) and they are ALL excellent suggestions, too, but it was written right in the OP that Buddy wanted circuits from PedalPCB. You're doing the same thing to him what you're complaining about the pedal industry is doing to bass players. You're telling him "don't get what you want, get this other stuff instead."

Not only that, but this forum is hosted by PedalPCB. We all buy from various vendors to suit our needs/preferences. Robert understands that and is very relaxed about letting us speak about whatever brands/things we want, I'd hate for that openness to change so I try to keep my talk about other vendors to a minimum, unless it's something that isn't offered by PedalPCB or I'm making a direct comparison. I'm not about to bite the hand that's feeding me PCBs.

When I first started building, I didn't have a clue how to "bassify" a circuit. Now I know to double or even decuple the input and/or output capacitors and bump up any coupler capacitors as well in the signal-path; sometimes you've gotta bump up a capacitor feeding an op-amp's feedback loop or on a BJT's emitter... I've also learned doing so can put other parts of the circuit out-of-wack. I'm not at the same level of the resident circuit-gurus, of knowing exactly what to do and by how much as per your Klon example, and nor will I ever be though I continue to learn — however, there's something really satisfying in making a guitarget-circuit bass-friendly and knowing that NOBODY ELSE has a build that sounds quite like your own.

There are more guitar-players than bass-players, probably always will be and the market will always reflect that — Overall I think there is a LOT more BASS-SPECIFIC PCBs being offered in general: here at PedalPCB, at MadBean, Aion and elsewhere, just in the last two years. I mean, MadBean is a great example. Previously there were projects there that were good on bass, but not a whole section devoted to it, now there's the "BASS SERIES". It already has 6 projects in it, and as I mentioned I have seen bass-circuits improvement here and also at Aion. Moonn has a great bass selection... Truly, things are getting better for bass players, it just takes time.



Les choses changent, mon ami, pour le mieux.

 

[DGWVI]

My votes:

.... and/or the Poison Apple (SWAH).

I don't know how I missed that in the shop. I would vote this over the CDXL and Waddle, actually. Might still need a bit of tweaking, but it's already setup as an LPF,

 

[Feral Feline]

I don't know how I missed that in the shop. I would vote this over the CDXL and Waddle, actually. Might still need a bit of tweaking, but it's already setup as an LPF,

I missed it too. I saw it in another thread and rushed to the shop to see if it was indeed there... "Arriving Soon".

 

[Mentaltossflycoon]

I don't know how I missed that in the shop. I would vote this over the CDXL and Waddle, actually. Might still need a bit of tweaking, but it's already setup as an LPF,

Yeah forgot that's a thing now. Poison apple is the way. My fuzzdog swah smokes my cdxl and waddle.

 

[bhcarpenter]

For the comp the Creamery (Milkbox) for compression-as-effect, Delegate Boneyard or Thumbsucker for utility-compression.

+1. The Creamery is the one that stayed on my bass board, but these all worked well for me.

 

[jimilee]

I made a lot of money as a gigging bass player, which just went back into more gear. I played every weekend, and not one person knew the difference in what they were hearing. It was previously mentioned, we live in a guitar players world, it’s just a fact. We can complain about it or we can bend circuits to meet our needs. My CE-2 shook the floor. My delays and phasers sounded great, and at the end of the chain was a sonic enhancer.

My experiences may not match yours, you do you. That’s what DIY is all about.

 

[eh là bas ma]

I made a lot of money as a gigging bass player, which just went back into more gear. I played every weekend, and not one person knew the difference in what they were hearing. It was previously mentioned, we live in a guitar players world, it’s just a fact. We can complain about it or we can bend circuits to meet our needs. My CE-2 shook the floor. My delays and phasers sounded great, and at the end of the chain was a sonic enhancer.

My experiences may not match yours, you do you. That’s what DIY is all about.

I was caught by this debate. All my rhetorical questions about your previous comment might be felt as a bit aggressive. I tried to be moderate, and meant no disrespect. I even implied that you weren't reasonable and I hope you can forgive this foolish bewilderment. I am still young and i have much to learn. Thanks for your patience !

I'd be curious to listen to some of your work, playing on bass. Phasers, delays... it sounds interesting. I wonder if there's something available on internet ?