Waddlebox/FX-25: Hammer mods…and beyond?

rschloz

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Hello!
I am looking for some guidance on possible mods for the Waddlebox/FX-25 circuit. Sometimes working on these circuits requires a degree in early aughts web archaeology with forums leading to dead links and 404 errors or the way back machine (looking at you, toppopicione…)

I have already implemented Mark Hammer’s suggested DPDT switch and trimmer volume pot, to select between the band pass and low pass filters (pins 8/9 of LM13700). Sounds great, now I want more!

Can anyone provide some recommendations about which components would generally be good candidates to install a socket and try some different values? Specifically, I am interested in adding some type of decay pot if possible, as well as a way to make the sensitivity pot more sensitive (currently have to dime it to get the filter to kick on with bass guitar). Also, any ideas for manipulating the state variable filter frequencies/q control?

Thanks! Happy new year!
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For a variable decay time, wire a 1M pot in parallel with C9. You may also want to reduce the value of C9 to something like 4.7u or smaller. If you just want shorter decay overall, just reduce the value of C9
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For a better range on the sense pot, I'd lower the value or R5, and probably change the pot to a C50k. Is also change C2 to something bigger- 10n would be a good start.
Swapping out D1 and D2 for something like Bat46 or 1N5817 will help in this regard as well, but will also shorten the attack time

For socketing and experimenting, I suggest putting sockets in place of C6 and C7, and going as low as 2.2n and as high as 470n. This will change the cutoff frequency allowing anything from waspy buzz to synthy scronk

This is a similar OTA filter, it shows the effects of swapping the filter caps
 
For a variable decay time, wire a 1M pot in parallel with C9. You may also want to reduce the value of C9 to something like 4.7u or smaller. If you just want shorter decay overall, just reduce the value of C9
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For a better range on the sense pot, I'd lower the value or R5, and probably change the pot to a C50k. Is also change C2 to something bigger- 10n would be a good start.
Swapping out D1 and D2 for something like Bat46 or 1N5817 will help in this regard as well, but will also shorten the attack time

For socketing and experimenting, I suggest putting sockets in place of C6 and C7, and going as low as 2.2n and as high as 470n. This will change the cutoff frequency allowing anything from waspy buzz to synthy scronk

This is a similar OTA filter, it shows the effects of swapping the filter caps
Nice. What pedal is that you are playing? Specifically the one on the right.
 
I'm ahh... invested in this circuit, theoretically anyway.


Further to DGWVI's mods...



As for Toppopicione, I respect the person's right to dismiss the Internet as a whole, but it smacks a little of
"nobody's playing by my rules so I'm taking my ball and going home..." 🙄

Luckily I gathered a good amount of the info, but alas not all of it. I went back to get a few key pieces only to discover the (at the time) newly created void... 🫥
http://topopiccione.atspace.com/
"...I've always been pleased by the atmosphere of the community and I was very proud when people built my stuff. Thanks again, then!


If you were pleased by the atmosphere of the community, then why turn your back on it?





Still, some Toppo info is out there from before he popped off.


RE THE NE5532P: https://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=77370.20
In the topopiccione web site there is a recommendation about this IC, because the FX25 could have a bit of distortion.

This is the description: «As previously stated, the sweep is very powerful, maybe too much... cause my unit slightly distort the guitar signal. Changing the op-amp is reccomended, and I had a major improvement in the sound using an NE5532P by Texas Instruments: the unit seems more quiet now.


Unlike Dr. Quack, the DOD FX25 seems not very IC sensitive, so it will work with many op-amps: I tried TL072, TL062, NE5532, LM1458, RC4558, LM358 all with good results (they all make both filters sweep, but there are some differences about distortion).»


SO… DIYSB’s “ZERO THE HERO”... 🤔 Hmmm
https://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=39409.0 thread he posted in re FX25 reply@#1
https://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?action=profile;u=565 his profile page which links to…






 
A BIT MORE...​
DIODE SELECTION
Ge would make envelope detection more sensitive, but the circuit is already plenty sensitive; Ge is also temp-unstable, so for curiosity sake, try Schottky.




AS THE CIRCUIT CAN BE A BIT JUMPY...
I WILL ADD A LIMITER, possible solutions:
ELS Fast Audio Peak Limiter - Elliott Sound Products
ELS PIRA
SA571 Compandor
ELS Ultra Simple Bass Guitar Compressor
VOX amp SS limiter [find the schematic!]

DOD FX25 LOWPASS MOD:
BONGOMANIA: Use the limiter on your amp, or add a limiter pedal. I am a huge fan of the fx25,
but I wouldn't use it without a limiter.

Actually the volume drop is a problem that happened commonly with all versions of this pedal, and the best I've been able to determine so far is it is a component gone bad. A properly-working fx25 (all versions) has no volume drop, but a LOT of them are not working properly.

The deal with the sensitivity knob is it is entirely dependent on the output of your bass. One bassist may find it is way too sensitive, so they sell it, and the guy who buys it finds it is not sensitive enough. Different output levels from their basses and playing styles.












READ: Compression and Limiting in Guitar pedals AMZ

https://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=53391.0
Hey Peterson, Mictester's "Really Cheap Compressor" might be a source of inspiration. It's designed for guitar but a doubling of the RC networks' cap values would extend the bass response.

http://www.aronnelson.com/gallery/main.php/v/johan_0/LA_Light_last_one_001.gif.html

http://experimentalistsanonymous.com/diy/Schematics/OOP Japanese Electronics Book/LED-LDR-comp.gif

http://geograffff.chat.ru/schemes/comp/whispCom.gif

http://sslstudiodesign.free.fr/DIY/COMP/comp.gif

http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=89110.0







JARED LASH — https://www.talkbass.com/threads/envelope-filter-for-low-tunings.1511511/page-2#post-25159954
I love the DOD FX25 but it has a VERY wide sweep and thins out considerably when the filter fully opens. I had to use a blender (later versions had a built in blend but it sucked) to not disappear in the mix.
I'd say to check out the Mr Black Fwonkbeta.
It wasn't my favorite filter but for downtuned neo soul stuff it's got a big, greasy envelope that would work well and not thin things out.
In general I'd be looking at low pass filters but a band pass filter with a blend (like the MXR) could also work depending on how it's set.




LOKKI : https://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=77370.0

ATTACK! https://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=77370.20
[DONT BOTHER WITH ATTACK BECAUSE…]
HAMMER:
"Decay on an envelope-governed circuit is a bit like an alley-cat: if you keep feeding it, it won't go away. As a result, despite being far more effective in my experience than unbuffered attack mods, it is easy to mistakenly interfere with a good decay mod. If one lightly mutes the strings with the butt of your picking hand, you'll find that the decay mod results in clearly audible differences in sweep.

None of that is to take away from the value of a good attack-time mod. The trouble is that, in most unbuffered contexts (which the FX-25 is) it is difficult to achieve audibly different attack times without detracting significantly from the sensitivity of the circuit. Remember that both attack and decay revolve around the time it takes to charge up, and discharge, that electro cap to ground. And any resistance placed in series with the output of the rectifier gain stage reduces the current feed to that cap. in a manner akin to having less envelope signal.
"




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CHUCKDBONES: https://forum.pedalpcb.com/threads/waddle-box-issue.2000/
" According to the schematic, the SENSITIVITY pot is wired backwards. Turning it CW reduces sensitivity. At 9:00, you have the sensitivity nearly maxed out. An A-taper pot might help. Won't change the SENSITIVITY range, but will make it easier to dial-in at the CCW end. I wonder why C2 is only 1nF. Cuts off the freq response of the envelope detector below 1KHz. Every sch I've found on the 'net has it as 1nF. I'd see if making C3 bigger helps. Try tack-soldering a 10nF in parallel with C2."

DPM309: The discussion on Guitar FX also recommends upping the value of C2 to 10nF. Also, R5 should be reduced to 3.9K or 3.6K.


𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑𝄐𝄑


I have other info squirrelled away...
 
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PPCB WADDLE​
MB FLUNKEE​
TOPOPICCIONE​
FFFX​
R1 10k​
—​
10k R4​
FLunkee no R1 equiv, but has PDR​
R2 470k​
470k​
470k R5​
R3 150k​
150k​
R4 1M​
1M​
1M R8​
R5 4k7​
4k7​
4k7 R7​
SOCKET: SUGGESTIONS FOR 3K9 3K6 by CHUCKDBONES​
R6 10k​
R7 10k​
10k R23​
R7 1k​
R9 1k​
1k R10​
R8 1k​
R15 1k​
1k R11​
R9 22k​
R13 22k​
22k R14​
R10 22k​
R11 22k​
22k R15​
SOCKET 33k-HAMMER​
R11 22k​
R14 22k​
22k R16​
SWITCH! 22k for Low-Pass/Bandpass modes​
R12 1k​
R16 1k​
1k R17​
R13 1k​
R15 1k​
1k R18​
R14 10k​
R17 10k​
10k R13​
SOCKET 10k or 47k so the filters won’t overlap*
R15 10k​
R10 10k​
10k R12​
SOCKET 47k or 10k as above, so long as not same​
R16 22k​
R18 22k​
22k R19​
R17 22k​
R12 22k​
22k R20​
R18 1k​
R19 1k​
1k R21​
R19 100k​
R20 100k​
100k R22​
A100k, or range sw with Master handled by limiter​
R20 1M​
R6 1M​
1M R9​
1M or HAMMER MOD (not sure necessary if :​
replace w/510k fixed resistor> VR500k pot series​
R100 4k7​
R22 4k7​
—​
R101 22k​
R23 22k​
22k R2​
R102 22k​
R24 22k​
22k R3​
51R R1 Direct​
From 9v Jack​
C1 IN 10n​
C1 10n​
10n C3​
SOCKET 22n​
C2 1n​
C2 1n​
1n C4​
SOCKET, 3n3 (YerayM),3n9, 4n7, 5n6, 6n8, 8n2, 10n​
Chuckdbones suggest 10n​
 
C3 100n​
C3 100n​
100n C5​
100n | HAMMER 330n, especially if w/ attack knob​
C4 4µ7​
C4 4µ7​
4µ7 C6​
4µ7 TANT!?​
C5 1µ​
C6 1µ​
1µ C8​
2µ2 socket​
C6 10n​
C7 10n​
10n C9​
12n/10n/18n all parallel DPDT or​
BASS HAMMER 15n​
C7 10n​
C8 10n​
10n C10​
10n/10n/4n7 series/stock/parallel SPDT
BASS HAMMER 15n​
C8 OUT 1µ​
C9 1µ​
1µ C11​
2µ2​
C9 22µ​
C5 22µ​
22µ C7​
SOCKET! Originally 15µ, smaller=shorter decay/​
bigger=longer decay. then again, if decay knob 22µ​
C100 100µ​
C10 47µ​
330µ C1​
100–330µ​
C101 10µ​
C12 4µ7​
10µ C2​
10µ​
IC1 LM1458​
LM1458​
1458​
LM1458​
IC2 LM13600​
LM13600​
LM13600​
LM13700 or 13600 if I have it…​
D1 1N1418​
1N1418​
1N1418​
1N1418 or Bat41 etc SOCKET​
D2 1N1418​
1N1418​
1N1418​
1N1418 or Bat41 etc | HAMMER MOD:​
D2>10k-pot paralleled w/ 1k resistor​
D100 1N5817​
1N5817​
1N4001 D1​
1N5817​
RANGE​
B100k​
B100k P2​
B100k​
SENSITIVITY​
B100k​
B100k P1​
B100k originally 470k, try 500k​
DECAY​
—​
—​
B1M OR 100k fixed resistor in series with A500k PARALLEL TO C5 33uf cap to ground​
ATTACK?​
—​
—​
OPTIONAL​
LIMITER​
—​
—​
?​
VOL​
—​
—​
A100k might make this a gain sw, LIMITER-VOL​
LP/BP SW —​
SPDT​
— [YM:SPDT]​
SPST on/off “LP/BAND”​
LP RANGE SW​
—​
—​
DPDT on-off-on “LP PEAK” nee “RESONANCE” SPDT
HP RANGE SW​
—​
—​
SPDT on-off-on “HP PEAK” nee “RESONANCE”​
* REDUCES “WAH” ie it won’t be as pronounced, so maybe put these (10k vs 47k) on yet another toggle?​
HAMMER RECOMMENDS A BLEND, so add a GPCB BnB​
Okay, the table split in two seems to work.​
 
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