NAD! Frenzel Deluxe Plus 525

Ok, I was mistaken. Frenzel got back to me, all their amps come standard with the solid state rectifier unless you do the Dual Rec upgrade, which I didn't do.

If I had gotten that option I'd probably only be using the tube rec when I'm running it in 5E3 setting. Most of the time I'd be running it with the solid state rectifier. I do like me some sag but only for certain amps. Tweed Deluxe for instance.
Yeah, my TopHat comes in 2 versions also. When I was looking for one used, I wanted the solid state, esp. with the tight/loose control. On the other hand, for cheap you can just buy a compatable plug in solid state to replace the tube now…
 
It’s been years since I played through a friends Blues Jr., and I remember liking it quite a bit—but I don’t think it’s neutral. In terms of overall tonality, yes. But the EL84 amps I know (and I’ve owned one for about 20 years now) seem to have a pretty distinct sound, in terms of what the cleans sound like (“chimey” is the usual term), and how it reacts to stronger signals. It’s a sound I love, especially with P90s.

I don’t know much about how different companies’ EL84 vary, so can’t help you much there. You could try changing your V1 preamp tube, to something with a bit less gain, that I think will give you a bit more clean headroom. A 5751 would be just a bit less gain, and they’re typically a good bit quieter than 12AX7s. A 12AT7 is also a common substitute for V1.

The other option is changing the speaker, and I’d recommend plugging in other cabinets and seeing what happens, if you have friends that are willing to experiment with you. Considering how expensive NOS tubes are getting, a speaker trade might be less expensive. (Not that I’m suggesting you go with NOS tubes for these tryouts.) A more efficient speaker would play louder with less strain on the amp, for instance. Or a British style speaker would plump the mids a bit more.

I‘m pretty sure the solid state rectifier is not a chargeable part (without surgery) on the Blues Jr. This would be one more area of potential experimentation. But I think that’s not really doable, and I don’t know if more sag would help matters anyway. (My EL84 amp is also solid state rectified, but there is a tight and loose switch on it. It pretty much has stayed on tight for me.)
I see what youre saying about the chimey-ness. I know that sound all too well. Im really liking the suggestion of plugging it up to a different cab. I have some research to do. The british speaker idea would be the direction i would head in if i were to try this option.

Hey @Harry Klippton What book is that? Looks like a fantastic read!
 
I see what youre saying about the chimey-ness. I know that sound all too well. Im really liking the suggestion of plugging it up to a different cab. I have some research to do. The british speaker idea would be the direction i would head in if i were to try this option.


Hey @Harry Klippton What book is that? Looks like a fantastic read!
 
Definitely interested in the book too.

I think people associate chime with el84s because of Voxes. I had an AC15 with Greenbacks and it didn't seem very chimey to me. At first it was bright, but after the speakers broke in it had a nice warm sound to it without any harsh high end. Most of the time I left the tone cut on the brightest setting.
 
Definitely interested in the book too.

I think people associate chime with el84s because of Voxes. I had an AC15 with Greenbacks and it didn't seem very chimey to me. At first it was bright, but after the speakers broke in it had a nice warm sound to it without any harsh high end. Most of the time I left the tone cut on the brightest setting.
I don't disagree at all. The amp I was talking about, a TopHat Club Royale, is more of an AC15 than probably anything else, with a mixed pair (by the designer) of 12s (Bulldog and Greenback). It's not really harsh; I think of the chimeyness as being more enough of a distortion (but not specifically a harsh sounding one) to make the upper midrange a bit more prominent sounding—with the notion that clean, undistorted sound tends not to sound as loud as even slightly distorted sound to our ears. So the upper midrange becomes more prominent sounding, even if it doesn't measure that way. In the same way that p90s are never completely clean sounding (but oh, what a lovely slight amount of harmonic richness they add!) I don't think I've heard an EL 84 based amp that had a truly clean sound. But—I realy haven't heard that many.

Another great tube reference book is Aspen Pitman's The Tube Amp Book (I have vol 3, from 1991.
 
In his opinion! Which it should say somewhere but doesn't. I can put some TAD EL34's on one of my Hiwatt DR504's and it sounds like solid state. Stick some original factory Tesla EL34's in that puppy and it just sings. I honestly don't know how anyone could listed to them and not tell the difference, but then I've seen musicians play a song and get just about everything wrong. So, just because a person knows electronics and can build amps, doesn't necessarily mean they have a good ear...
 
Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who loves KT77s. I use the JJs and while I don't know how faithful they are to original KT77 spec I love how they sound. I think of them as being a really good EL34. A bit fuller and tighter in the low end, more lovely mids than a 6L6 and a smooth high end. It's a big sound with great definition, not as glassy as a 6L6 (which is a good thing in my book) and tighter in the lows than an EL34.

I use them in tweed circuits but you need to have a beefier PT because they draw more filament current than a 6L6, similar to an EL34. They're also a bit louder than a 6L6. They work really well in tweed circuits, handling the mids in a beautiful way. They sound killer in a Plexi too.
 
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