The Latest & Greatest Pedals!!!
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OK so here's the thing I don't get with this type of pedals... If they are tweaking the tone to sound like an famous amp and they are connected to another type of amp. How on hearth can it sound like the target amp ?
My mind is having a hard time understand how this could work. Fair enough, the pedal may induce certain frequencies and tremolo or reverb, but at the end wouldn't that sound be again transformed by the amp I'm plugged it into ?
I'm sure I'm missing something... even with the concept of speaker emulation ? How can you make a greenback sound like a Celestion Cream ? Isn't it still a greenback ?
My mind is having a hard time understand how this could work. Fair enough, the pedal may induce certain frequencies and tremolo or reverb, but at the end wouldn't that sound be again transformed by the amp I'm plugged it into ?
I'm sure I'm missing something... even with the concept of speaker emulation ? How can you make a greenback sound like a Celestion Cream ? Isn't it still a greenback ?
Betty Wont
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This!^^^^
I don't understand any of the overdrives/amp&cab sims/compressors/brand based sound devices. I have a tube amp with a speaker cab. Nothing that emulates qualities of a tube amp with a speaker cab can possibly function in any way if used with a tube amp with a speaker cab.
benny_profane
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I’m not the target audience for this stuff, but are they made for people that plug into a PA or DAW directly?
Well see, that I could understand... if you build a modeling pedal and use it raw in a DAW, then OK.
I can also understand modeler combo amp, Katana, Mustang, etc. They are in a control environment where the amplification and speaker/cab can be taken into account...
I just don't get how results can be consistent with a modeling pedal....
mdc
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I think most preamp pedals are intended to be used in a situation like an FX loop return, or as a DI box, or into an extremely flat/neutral amp. Even going back as far as the rockman and sansamp, they were explicitly intended to be plugged direct into a recording device or PA.
I guess I don't really buy into the premise of the question here, for the most part. I don't think most (if any) people think that plugging a vox-style preamp pedal into a dimed marshall is going to magically transform you into paul weller or whatever. It's either "i'm using this as a preamp" or "what happens if I add an extra/unique gain stage?"
I guess I don't really buy into the premise of the question here, for the most part. I don't think most (if any) people think that plugging a vox-style preamp pedal into a dimed marshall is going to magically transform you into paul weller or whatever. It's either "i'm using this as a preamp" or "what happens if I add an extra/unique gain stage?"
BuddytheReow
Moderator
Good 'ol marketing here. Considering the vibe of this conversation so far, for the price they're asking you're either desperate or, frankly, dumb to get one of those.
Not really; at $400 they’re priced the same as their primary competition, the Strymon Iridium and the Walrus Audio ACS1 (I’d personally take either of those over these UA ones, since they each simulate three completely different amps instead of a few variations on the same amp, but I can see UA’s thought process).
The primary uses for these sorts of sim pedals are to go either straight to DAW, or straight to FOH if you want to have a fully amp-less rig (which is a *huge* boon). Can’t speak to these particular ones (they’re UA, I’m sure they’re great), but the Iridium and ACS1 do a better job of emulating their respective amps than something like the SansAmp (for the price, they better, of course).
These UA pedals also have a 4CM mode meant to go into the effects return of an amp, which is a novel feature; I’m assuming they bypass the cab simulation in that mode but I could be wrong.
Given the vibe of this conversation so far, most of this forum aren’t the target audience for these pedals.
Betty Wont
Well-known member
Velveeta costs more than actual cheese. Does the simulation have more value than the real thing?
benny_profane
Well-known member
I don’t know if velveeta is a simulation or a separate thing altogether. Maybe we need to consult Baudrillard.
If “actual cheese” is a 70 pound AC30 that barely fits in my car, “Velveeta” is an AC30 simulation pedal that fits in my gig bag, and I value portability and reliability over “real tube tone”, then yes in this situation the simulation has more value than the real thing.
(I leave my tube Deluxe Reverb at home and gig with a Tone Master Deluxe Reverb for similar reasons.)
Mentaltossflycoon
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Unlike Velveeta, this amplifier food product is made with real amplifier.
mjh36
Well-known member
Two Notes is coming out with their version too I just saw.
www.two-notes.com
ReVolt Guitar | Two notes
3-channel guitar amp simulator featuring an all analog signal path. Inject some warmth and bite into your tone courtesy of a 12AX7 preamp tube running at high voltage.
www.two-notes.com
Harry Klippton
Not Interested
I was just thinking recently about how little fun it would be to play in a band with no amps on stage
benny_profane
Well-known member
You saying Woody Guthrie didn’t have fun?
dawson
Well-known member
Very strong argument.
BUT- can you imagine how many more fascists he could've killed with a Tele' and a Bassman?
