Locrian99
Well-known member
Yea i think it wasnt really supposed to work that way, but here we are.
Jlcpcb and tariffs
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jessenator
Well-known member
How this is supposed to help small American businesses is beyond me.
bean
Legume Liaison
I think 8803 might be 34% now instead of 25%.
mkstewartesq
Well-known member
I’m wondering if some people – whether the shippers, the courier, or someone else, is pushing to get things under the tariff wire.
I got notice from Tayda early this morning that they were shipping my package (although it had not been dropped with the carrier yet). Once UPS got the package a few hours ago, they told me it would be delivered next Tuesday. OK, fine, I figure it’s not gonna make it into the US before Saturday or Sunday so I’ll get hit with a tariff. It’s only a $50 shipment so that won’t be that bad. (The White House order has some really poorly written language that could be construed as waiving the tariff if the package was already in the course of transit by Friday night at midnight even if it had not reached the US yet, but it’s vague so I wasn’t going to count on it).
Now, just a couple hours after UPS got the package, they’ve sent me a new message telling me that I will get it here in Atlanta Georgia tomorrow (Friday, April 4), and I see that the package is already in Shenzhen China. Now, I’ll believe it when I see it as far as whether it actually shows up here less than 36 hours after being shipped but obviously somebody seems to have some urgency about getting stuff over here to the US ASAP.
I got notice from Tayda early this morning that they were shipping my package (although it had not been dropped with the carrier yet). Once UPS got the package a few hours ago, they told me it would be delivered next Tuesday. OK, fine, I figure it’s not gonna make it into the US before Saturday or Sunday so I’ll get hit with a tariff. It’s only a $50 shipment so that won’t be that bad. (The White House order has some really poorly written language that could be construed as waiving the tariff if the package was already in the course of transit by Friday night at midnight even if it had not reached the US yet, but it’s vague so I wasn’t going to count on it).
Now, just a couple hours after UPS got the package, they’ve sent me a new message telling me that I will get it here in Atlanta Georgia tomorrow (Friday, April 4), and I see that the package is already in Shenzhen China. Now, I’ll believe it when I see it as far as whether it actually shows up here less than 36 hours after being shipped but obviously somebody seems to have some urgency about getting stuff over here to the US ASAP.
Robert
Reverse Engineer
They held mine until one minute after the de minimis threshold pause ended.... one minute.
Oddly, I had another shipment pass through today with no charges. What in the hell is going on over there guys?!
KreoPensas
Active member
don't try to understand 'em just rope and throw and brand 'em
Er... not entire sure why I think this is relevant but here we are and there it is.
Trying to make sense of this will cause enough cognitive dissonance to give you a grand mal.
Er... not entire sure why I think this is relevant but here we are and there it is.
Trying to make sense of this will cause enough cognitive dissonance to give you a grand mal.
mkstewartesq
Well-known member
Well Robert, this is what you get for not buttering them up by finishing that trace of the EQD Swiss Things.They held mine until one minute after the de minimis threshold pause ended.... one minute.
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Oddly, I had another shipment pass through today with no charges. What in the hell is going on over there guys?!
Robert
Reverse Engineer
Well Robert, this is what you get for not buttering them up by finishing that trace of the EQD Swiss Things.
That trace has been done.
jdduffield
Active member
When a notice of payment due happens, what is the delay like? Is it like you pay the tariff with PayPal and the package starts moving again the next day or is it days or weeks to clear, etc?
I’m hoping mine will get passed through ok. I placed an order for $500+ with Tayda two weeks ago and it hasn’t shipped yet. Worried I’ll have to pay a tariff and wait forever.
I’m hoping mine will get passed through ok. I placed an order for $500+ with Tayda two weeks ago and it hasn’t shipped yet. Worried I’ll have to pay a tariff and wait forever.
Robert
Reverse Engineer
I received the notice at around midnight and paid by 4am so it didn't cause any delays, it was still delivered that day as planned.
If I hadn't paid by 5am it wouldn't have left the Cincinnati hub in time and would have been delayed until the following day.
The delay is usually waiting for the notice of duties owed.
The longest I've had to wait is a week and that was a one time occurrence but I suspect delays are going to become more common for a while.
You can etch your own PCBs and there are no tariffs
Last time I etched anything I was buying copper clad from China.... and then there's still the components.
jdduffield
Active member
So, how does this new tariff work? It seems like packages will move along because they wouldn’t have time to check each one, but random packages would be selected, opened and evaluated, and if the goods are less than $800, we have to pay 10% and if it is valued higher we have to pay 34%. Is that right or is it higher like 20% and 54%. (Talking about Tayda orders, parts and enclosures. Or PCB printed from JLCPCB.)
Robert
Reverse Engineer
It looks like it's going to be 54% (higher for Tayda since they're in Thailand)...
The de minimis exemption is going away so I suspect you're going to end up paying about the same percentage regardless of the value, and my guess is that if the duties owed are less than $25 they'll treat that as a minimum fee.
They don't have to open the packages, Tayda / JLCPCB declares the value on the customs forms so unless they commit fraud the value will be correct and you'll be charged appropriately.
mkstewartesq
Well-known member
So far, according to the executive order, the elimination of the de minimis exemption only applies to imports coming from China, so I don’t think that would affect Tayda. Am I missing something?
jdduffield
Active member
Well, I appreciate the replies. I find this confusing and it is hard to know what to expect.
I’m gearing up to start a little home-based pedal business that I can use as a side gig. (Still a ways off, but in a year or two.) Apparently my timing is horrible as I’m in a season of gathering inventory parts while I’m learning the ropes. I’m disappointed and hope the tariffs don’t last or that we can find what we need here in the US for a lower price.
I’m gearing up to start a little home-based pedal business that I can use as a side gig. (Still a ways off, but in a year or two.) Apparently my timing is horrible as I’m in a season of gathering inventory parts while I’m learning the ropes. I’m disappointed and hope the tariffs don’t last or that we can find what we need here in the US for a lower price.
jdduffield
Active member
Is it possible that they would tax some packages and not others just so there is not a bottleneck of unpaid packages on hold? Seems taxing each and every one would cause delays and not be good for these shipping service companies.
darwin999
Well-known member
I'm sure the shipping services aren't thrilled either, it definitely isn't good for them. If I was a customer service person for UPS/FEDEX/DHL, I'd get ahead of the curve and quit right now. I expect delays all around as a result...
mkstewartesq
Well-known member
Well, to be clear, I’m still confused about aspects of this. De minimis to my mind usually only refers to customs duties because we’ve never really had tariffs. Some articles say they’re the same things, some say they’re not. So I’m kind of wary that tariffs might still be payable on any amount even though the normal customs duties are getting waived by de minimis. It sure would be cool if we had a government that actually explained these things to us but here we are.Ahh yes, I think you're right, for now at least? I hope that's right, I need some parts.
Anything I say that sounds incorrect is probably incorrect.
Speaking of here we are, holy shit, I just got a notice that my package from Tayda that wasn’t even handed off to their local UPS until about 11 AM Eastern this morning has already cleared customs in the US by 7:30 PM eastern. I didn’t think even Superman could make it from Thailand to the US in eight hours.
