Footswitch ideas

radam84

radam84

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Im wondering if anyone has any experience using these: https://theelectronicgoldmine.com/products/g26867

in place of 3pdt footswitchs, if so how would you wire it up? Also would it be feasible to open a regular 3pdt footswitch and replace the interanls with one of those(linked) to make a softer click switch? I know boss uses a similar type switch and Im wanting to figure out a way to do something similar.
 
radam84 said:
Im wondering if anyone has any experience using these: https://theelectronicgoldmine.com/products/g26867

in place of 3pdt footswitchs, if so how would you wire it up? Also would it be feasible to open a regular 3pdt footswitch and replace the interanls with one of those(linked) to make a softer click switch? I know boss uses a similar type switch and Im wanting to figure out a way to do something similar.
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so it looks like what you've posted here is a DPDT push on/push off switch.

here's some ideas:

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normally with DPDT you can't switch an indicator LED, unless you do this apparently... (literally just learned about this now)

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I know this is old but I figured because its here anyways Id just ask her again and hope someone sees it I guess. So I now understand wat was explained in the above but if the switch was ON/ON what would need to change, if anything?
 
If you’re just looking for a lighter click, there are regular 3pdt stomp switches that use different force levels. Tayda sells extra heavy, and these black ones that are light force. I bought some because I wanted to do some all black themed thing, but I didn’t use them because I didn’t like how light the click was.


If you want to go full soft-touch, check out some of the folks here building/ using sub-boards for relay-switching.
 
The switch you asked about IS an On-On switch. It presents itself differently because it’s a latching type and is meant as an activation switch, but it’s essentially the same thing.
 
Erik S said:
If you’re just looking for a lighter click, there are regular 3pdt stomp switches that use different force levels. Tayda sells extra heavy, and these black ones that are light force. I bought some because I wanted to do some all black themed thing, but I didn’t use them because I didn’t like how light the click was.


If you want to go full soft-touch, check out some of the folks here building/ using sub-boards for relay-switching.
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yea Ive looked into relay switching and Im thinking I might even try my hand at programming some microcontrollers a nd what not, definetly not there yet but maybe one day. A soft click is what I was originally after, but after seeing an ad for a DPDT latching on/on switch I had to come here to find out what the difference is from a DPDT on/off switch, just for the sake of knowing really.
 
Brett said:
The switch you asked about IS an On-On switch. It presents itself differently because it’s a latching type and is meant as an activation switch, but it’s essentially the same thing.
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OK perfect thats what I wanted to hear and was hoping for, much less confusing to now just know they're both essentially the same thing, thanks eh. Cheers.
 
radam84 said:
Or what I should be looking for in a relay?
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The nice part about this circuit is that it's pretty flexible concerning relays. All the information is in the thread I linked before.

As long as your relay is a non-latching, DPDT (2 Form C) that operates at 9V or less, this circuit should work.

A similar, ready-made PCB is available from PedalPCB. See the Basic Relay Bypass.
 
Brett said:
The nice part about this circuit is that it's pretty flexible concerning relays. All the information is in the thread I linked before.

As long as your relay is a non-latching, DPDT (2 Form C) that operates at 9V or less, this circuit should work.

A similar, ready-made PCB is available from PedalPCB. See the Basic Relay Bypass.
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right on, thanks again eh
 
Brett said:
The nice part about this circuit is that it's pretty flexible concerning relays. All the information is in the thread I linked before.

As long as your relay is a non-latching, DPDT (2 Form C) that operates at 9V or less, this circuit should work.

A similar, ready-made PCB is available from PedalPCB. See the Basic Relay Bypass.
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hey, so Ive been trying to figure things out on this and I think Im understanding what needs to be understood but I figured Id ask just to make sure cause you seem to know these things. I found this: 5V HK19F-DC5V-SHG (datasheet link: https://grobotronics.com/images/datasheets/HK19F-12V.pdf) and there a bit I dont fully understand but it looks to me like the numbers that matter are the same or very close to what was used in that post you linked me to (the a5w-k). I cant see anywhere on that datasheet that specifically says its Non-Latching but it is 2 form C (not sure what that means but it says it lol). Theyre cheap so if I didnt actually end up using them then oh well is what Im thinking.
 
The relay you've linked to is pretty large. Which electronic components supplier(s) are accessible to you?

Global suppliers like Tayda have compatible relays: https://www.taydaelectronics.com/electromechanical/relays/a-4-5w-k-mini-relay-dpdt-4-5vdc-1a.html (you'd need to adjust the dropping resistor, but this relay will work fine).

Futurlec: https://www.futurlec.com/Relays/HFD31-05pr.shtml OR https://www.futurlec.com/Relays/TQ2-5Vpr.shtml
Mouser: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic-Industrial-Devices/TQ2-5V?qs=HLLy2pIPwutHaTSpVfb1kw==

These are just some common relays, there are plenty of relays that are compatible with this. You'll definitely want something smaller than the one you linked though. That relay is probably a bit larger than you'd like.
 
Brett said:
The relay you've linked to is pretty large. Which electronic components supplier(s) are accessible to you?

Global suppliers like Tayda have compatible relays: https://www.taydaelectronics.com/electromechanical/relays/a-4-5w-k-mini-relay-dpdt-4-5vdc-1a.html (you'd need to adjust the dropping resistor, but this relay will work fine).

Futurlec: https://www.futurlec.com/Relays/HFD31-05pr.shtml OR https://www.futurlec.com/Relays/TQ2-5Vpr.shtml
Mouser: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic-Industrial-Devices/TQ2-5V?qs=HLLy2pIPwutHaTSpVfb1kw==

These are just some common relays, there are plenty of relays that are compatible with this. You'll definitely want something smaller than the one you linked though. That relay is probably a bit larger than you'd like.
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Ok, yea Im in canada so futurelec, digikey, mouser. If its stuff I may not end up using or may end up destroying in the process of trying to use it, aliexpress lol. When you say large you do mean physically large or something else? Just want to me sure I understand that for sure. and if you do mean physically too large, Im curious if it would still work, just so I can confirm that my understanding is somewhat correct. Thanks for the help by the way, cheers.
 
radam84 said:
When you say large you do mean physically large or something else?
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Yes, it's a bit large compared to other alternatives. The differences with the TQ2-5V, for example:
Length: 20mm | 14mm ~ 6mm difference
Height: 12mm | 5.4mm ~ 6.6mm difference
Width: 10mm | 9mm ~ 1mm difference

When trying to pack all of this inside of an enclosure that also has to house jacks, switches, and the circuit itself, component size starts to come into play. Will the relay you linked work in this circuit? I do not know. Typically, relay data sheets list a single coil resistance at the rated coil voltage. In the datasheet you posted, it lists several.

radam84 said:
Ive looked into relay switching and Im thinking I might even try my hand at programming some microcontrollers and what not
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I understand that it's a bit of a pain to pay for shipping for components from multiple suppliers, perhaps more so in Canada. Going with Chuck's Simple Relay Bypass and one of the relays I've suggested above is a lot easier and cheaper than buying microcontrollers and a programmer.
 
yea I hadnt even thought about about alternatives to a microcontroller so Im glad you posted what you did, cause its definetly easier to learn I think, and yea more cost efficient. As for size, I havent really done any builds yet but I want to know as much as I can before I attempt anything, so moving to a larger enclosure would be fine for me. Also I wont be tackling this relay switching idea anytime soon, but one day for sure. Anyways thanks again for everything eh, cheers.
 
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