Jlcpcb and tariffs

[guardian.tent1326]

I imagine what will end up happening is something like for me over in UK where it's simpler and not much more to buy from an importer/reseller like Musikding than lots individuals going to Tayda.

De minimis threshold for import duties in the UK is £135. Is it seriously cheaper to buy from a UK supplier than to buy from Tayda under £135 and pay 20% VAT? I'm seriously shocked if UK suppliers are anything close to within 20% of Tayda's prices.

Even if it costs more to do it at the border if the spend on clothes switched from disposable stuff from some gamefied e-commerce shop to shop at the mall that and the Keynesian multipliers will be end up costing less.

I don't think anyone should be under any illusion that tariffs with result in lower prices, whether short or long term. This is absolutely a talking point of the right in the US and it's not even close to the truth. Prices actually falling would represent deflation, which is almost universally considered catastrophic by economists.

And don't forget the stuff at the mall is made in the same place as the stuff on the e-commerce shop, i.e. some place in southeast Asia or similar. One is just direct to consumer and the other is sold via a middleman.

 

[Vicious C]

I used to be able to get affordable fedex or DHl shipping with JLCPCB, now they’re 70$-90$ for a 25$ order!! I tried the snail mail option and it’s been 3 weeks, still sitting in customs. Just made my first order with Oshpark, free shipping US. If the tariffs get higher with China, and de minimus is gone, Oshpark will have to be my new source for PCB manufacturing and I can try to eat the Tayda tariffs.

 

[LukeFRC]

De minimis threshold for import duties in the UK is £135. Is it seriously cheaper to buy from a UK supplier than to buy from Tayda under £135 and pay 20% VAT? I'm seriously shocked if UK suppliers are anything close to within 20% of Tayda's prices.

£135 for duty - but our tarrifs are generally quite low - it’s the VAT charges that can be a pain. So the £50 worth of good, with I dunno £15 postage becomes £78 - plus the £12 or whatever that the courier charges. So £90… (oh and £65 I paid to the supplier was charged in US$ so somehow PayPal/my bank managed to sort the exchange rate in their favour)

But I’ve got 3 parcels from different suppliers and then the postage and courier charges multiply - and then someone like Musikding is one place set up to sell everything needed and is already set up with the system HRMC set up after Brexit to sort the VAT (basically it goes direct to them from the seller) so it’s just simpler. Tayda is cheaper on a lot of stuff, but not others and not massively less holy grail place in the way a lot of you based in the US find it!
I recently priced up a run of Tayda printed pedals and Gojira printing them in the U.K. and the price difference wasn’t light and day at all!

 

[vigilante398]

I used to be able to get affordable fedex or DHl shipping with JLCPCB, now they’re 70$-90$ for a 25$ order!! I tried the snail mail option and it’s been 3 weeks, still sitting in customs. Just made my first order with Oshpark, free shipping US. If the tariffs get higher with China, and de minimus is gone, Oshpark will have to be my new source for PCB manufacturing and I can try to eat the Tayda tariffs.

I usually go to UPS for my orders since the DHL prices went up. Speed is similar to DHL but usually 50-60% of the price. I'm way too impatient for the slow boat option.

I continue to use JLC because I get SMD assembly on most of my boards, and assembly in the US is prohibitively expensive, and most of the time they would still using foreign-made components so I will still have to eat higher costs there.

 

[jessenator]

This might have changed in the last couple of months, but IME the carrier cost goes down the higher $ value the Tayda order is. Last time I made an order over $150 the shipping was maybe $2 or so for DHL. (I prefer receiving from DHL because I can change delivery options via secure link without having to create another flipping account.)

 

[vigilante398]

This might have changed in the last couple of months, but IME the carrier cost goes down the higher $ value the Tayda order is. Last time I made an order over $150 the shipping was maybe $2 or so for DHL. (I prefer receiving from DHL because I can change delivery options via secure link without having to create another flipping account.)

True with Tayda, unfortunately not with JLCPCB. Tayda gets to a point (I think it was around $400?) when shipping goes to $1, JLCPCB just keeps going up with the package weight.

 

[Locrian99]

One silver lining… fewer chibsons hopefully.

 

[Robert]

One silver lining… fewer chibsons hopefully.

Ironically.....

 

[jessenator]

right, my bad. Sorry, I'm not reading the titles apparently... "jlcpcb" doesn't look anything like "tayda"

Welp, time to decide what boards I'm going to need fabbed for the next four years

 

[Robert]

I haven't had any charges added to any Tayda shipments yet but my largest order was around $250 and a week or so ago.

 

[Locrian99]

right, my bad. Sorry, I'm not reading the titles apparently... "jlcpcb" doesn't look anything like "tayda"

Welp, time to decide what boards I'm going to need fabbed for the next four years

At this point i’m more curious how the brokerage fees will work out. My biggest order has been about 60 pcs from jlc and think it ended up being about 40$ with the slow option shipping. I can deal with paying double for products. But 30$ brokerage fees etc on top are going to make small orders pointless.

 

[vigilante398]

At this point i’m more curious how the brokerage fees will work out. My biggest order has been about 60 pcs from jlc and think it ended up being about 40$ with the slow option shipping. I can deal with paying double for products. But 30$ brokerage fees etc on top are going to make small orders pointless.

I doubt you'll be seeing brokerage fees on orders like that. I think I've only had the "no customs duties but brokerage fees anyway" things once, and only with UPS, and it was on a ~$500 order.

 

[bean]

Now it's 125%...

 

[CheapSuitG]

I feel like there should be an auctioneer doing the play by play on this.

Now it's 125%...

 

[Locrian99]

I feel like there should be an auctioneer doing the play by play on this.

Did you see the man in charge before announcing all other tariffs were paused said on his social media app (which wtf our president has his own social media app). Now is the time to buy! I swear you couldnt make this shit up.

 

[CheapSuitG]

Do I hear 130…..130…..zhip a dip a do 130…..YUP now 140…140….140….

 

[Robert]

I think I've only had the "no customs duties but brokerage fees anyway" things once, and only with UPS, and it was on a ~$500 order.

But with no de minimis wouldn't every order have custom duties owed?

 

[vigilante398]

But with no de minimis wouldn't every order have custom duties owed?

A fair point, yup. I would hope the brokerage fees would scale proportionally to the customs duties paid, so they would be negligible on small shipments, but that may not be the case.

 

[Locrian99]

A fair point, yup. I would hope the brokerage fees would scale proportionally to the customs duties paid, so they would be negligible on small shipments, but that may not be the case.

Ive been trying to figure this out, from google etc. dhl’s website says brokerage fees are included in shipping but then theres reddits etc saying a min charge of 17$. I think it unfortunately is going to be a situation where we just have to wait and see if someone gets stuck with somethjng silly or something small. I suppose if you get stuck with a huge one you could just refuse to pay it and the shipment gets returned?

I do think this is going to make me look at amplify parts or maybe the new tayda option for faceplates.

Edit: amplify fun not amplify parts.

 

[vigilante398]

Ive been trying to figure this out, from google etc. dhl’s website says brokerage fees are included in shipping but then theres reddits etc saying a min charge of 17$. I think it unfortunately is going to be a situation where we just have to wait and see if someone gets stuck with somethjng silly or something small. I suppose if you get stuck with a huge one you could just refuse to pay it and the shipment gets returned?

I do think this is going to make me look at amplify parts or maybe the new tayda option for faceplates.

Edit: amplify fun not amplify parts.

Yup if you refuse to pay it the shipment gets returned. I haven't really looked into this for the US yet, but one of my Canadian customers recently bought a $400 pedal from me and UPS was trying to charge him something like $150 in brokerage fees. He ended up calling the customs office himself and going through a process to "self-clear" the package. So he still had to pay customs duties, but not a brokerage fee, because he was acting as the broker himself, he did the paperwork for the clearance.

If it becomes something shipping carriers start trying to milk, I'll definitely be looking to do the clearance process myself.