Jlcpcb and tariffs
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jessenator
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This is probably a stupid question: based on what I've read, the timeline for duties and tariffs are based on the date which a parcel landing stateside, not based on the order/billing/ship-out date. Is this correct?
drgonzo1969
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Just got a delivery from jlcpcb today. No tariffs. Order placed on 3/26.
Edit: global standard direct shipping
Edit: global standard direct shipping
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Nostradoomus
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it also depends on how a couple certain bird brains feel that day
It’s not all crazy, there’s good logic in removing the minimum value before tarrifs apply - but while it’s good for the economy in total it’s not so great for hobby pedal builders.
I imagine what will end up happening is something like for me over in UK where it's simpler and not much more to buy from an importer/reseller like Musikding than lots individuals going to Tayda.
I imagine what will end up happening is something like for me over in UK where it's simpler and not much more to buy from an importer/reseller like Musikding than lots individuals going to Tayda.
finebyfine
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There is, but the administrative costs of removing de minimis have been projected to be more than it would bring in - although the estimates I’ve seen are based on the 34% rate. But the obvious reason it’s being removed is for the chilling effect it’ll have on Chinese direct-to-consumer e-commerce companies. Whether we agree on that and its consequences being a good thing or not, that’s really the only point of it.
I was trying to pull out positives!
It is a pain when it comes to our specialist electrical components, but not more broadly. Even if it costs more to do it at the border if the spend on clothes switched from disposable stuff from some gamefied e-commerce shop to shop at the mall that and the Keynesian multipliers will be end up costing less. In the UK is even more of an effect as the imports avoid VAT (our blanket sales tax).
guardian.tent1326
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De minimis threshold for import duties in the UK is £135. Is it seriously cheaper to buy from a UK supplier than to buy from Tayda under £135 and pay 20% VAT? I'm seriously shocked if UK suppliers are anything close to within 20% of Tayda's prices.
I don't think anyone should be under any illusion that tariffs with result in lower prices, whether short or long term. This is absolutely a talking point of the right in the US and it's not even close to the truth. Prices actually falling would represent deflation, which is almost universally considered catastrophic by economists.
And don't forget the stuff at the mall is made in the same place as the stuff on the e-commerce shop, i.e. some place in southeast Asia or similar. One is just direct to consumer and the other is sold via a middleman.
Big Monk
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Just to play Devil’s Advocate as well: It would seem to me that the EU just did something similar with their recent Standards updates.
For all of the safety talk and technical jargon, it was really aimed at clamping down of direct to consumer e-commerce sales from, you guessed, China.
I will say it was couched in much more palatable language and rollout though.
I do agree with you though in this: Whether we agree or not, the world as a whole is collectively putting pressure on China in some subtle (and not so subtle) ways.
I don’t know what to make of that trend. I won’t ever try to pretend I’m a financial wizard, especially where global economics and the intermingling of countries is concerned.
At least in the niche market of pedal electronics, I’ve always had great experiences with companies like JLCPCB and the components coming out of the country in general.
Vicious C
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I used to be able to get affordable fedex or DHl shipping with JLCPCB, now they’re 70$-90$ for a 25$ order!! I tried the snail mail option and it’s been 3 weeks, still sitting in customs. Just made my first order with Oshpark, free shipping US. If the tariffs get higher with China, and de minimus is gone, Oshpark will have to be my new source for PCB manufacturing and I can try to eat the Tayda tariffs.
£135 for duty - but our tarrifs are generally quite low - it’s the VAT charges that can be a pain. So the £50 worth of good, with I dunno £15 postage becomes £78 - plus the £12 or whatever that the courier charges. So £90… (oh and £65 I paid to the supplier was charged in US$ so somehow PayPal/my bank managed to sort the exchange rate in their favour)
But I’ve got 3 parcels from different suppliers and then the postage and courier charges multiply - and then someone like Musikding is one place set up to sell everything needed and is already set up with the system HRMC set up after Brexit to sort the VAT (basically it goes direct to them from the seller) so it’s just simpler. Tayda is cheaper on a lot of stuff, but not others and not massively less holy grail place in the way a lot of you based in the US find it!
I recently priced up a run of Tayda printed pedals and Gojira printing them in the U.K. and the price difference wasn’t light and day at all!
vigilante398
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I usually go to UPS for my orders since the DHL prices went up. Speed is similar to DHL but usually 50-60% of the price. I'm way too impatient for the slow boat option.
I continue to use JLC because I get SMD assembly on most of my boards, and assembly in the US is prohibitively expensive, and most of the time they would still using foreign-made components so I will still have to eat higher costs there.
jessenator
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This might have changed in the last couple of months, but IME the carrier cost goes down the higher $ value the Tayda order is. Last time I made an order over $150 the shipping was maybe $2 or so for DHL. (I prefer receiving from DHL because I can change delivery options via secure link without having to create another flipping account.)
vigilante398
Authorized Vendor
True with Tayda, unfortunately not with JLCPCB. Tayda gets to a point (I think it was around $400?) when shipping goes to $1, JLCPCB just keeps going up with the package weight.
Big Monk
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I can second this.
I just placed a Pick and Place SMD board order of around 65 units and my shipping was close to $75 on a $150 PCB order.
Keep in mind, that’s something like $4 is so per board which to me is still worth it, especially as I’ve transitioned more and more TH components to SMD.
But it does hurt to see that much going to shipping.
The thing with JLCPCB is that the customer service is great and my process is dialed in.
Even if that same order doubled to $8 per board, I think I’d still go with them.
The few times I priced out stateside Pick and Place, it was on par with JLCPCB and extended parts, which is VERY expensive.
Robert
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jessenator
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right, my bad. Sorry, I'm not reading the titles apparently... "jlcpcb" doesn't look anything like "tayda"
Welp, time to decide what boards I'm going to need fabbed for the next four years
Welp, time to decide what boards I'm going to need fabbed for the next four years
