Locrian99
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At least through jlc best bet for breakout boards is to panelize them and keep them under the 100mmx100mm size
Jlcpcb and tariffs
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jimilee
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yazooligan
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Do these settings for the main board look okay? I'd like my boards to be on par with PedalPCB's in terms of quality. Do I need Lead-Free if I intend to ship some of the pedals to Europe? Thanks so much for your insight.
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Robert
Reverse Engineer
I generally go with the default settings, although I select "Remove Mark" for the Mark on PCB option.
(With the exception of the ProtoBoard, which is 2.0mm thick and gets 2mm copper)
Just keep in mind, black is the only color JLCPCB offers with a matte finish. Any other color will be glossy. (Not that it matters, although maybe it does to some)
Stickman393
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I've gotten the impression that shipping new electronics to any of the EU member states requires strict RoHS compliance.
Dunno though. Dunno exactly what that entails. Like, is it similar to UL listing in that it requires documentation of all component parts to ensure compliance?
Inquiring minds and all.
Dunno though. Dunno exactly what that entails. Like, is it similar to UL listing in that it requires documentation of all component parts to ensure compliance?
Inquiring minds and all.
I'm located in Germany. The handful of JLCPCB orders I've placed so far were with the "HASL (with lead)" option and I haven't had any issues. I use "Global Standard Direct Line" shipping with duties pre-paid to JLCPCB. Packages have been delivered directly to my door without further actions necessary.
Edit: Ah, maybe I misunderstood. Exporting commercial pedals/ready-made PCBs to the EU with leaded solder might be a different situation, although I don't think we really have the capacity to test all of these imports. I'm just a lowly amateur living in the grey zone
Edit: Ah, maybe I misunderstood. Exporting commercial pedals/ready-made PCBs to the EU with leaded solder might be a different situation, although I don't think we really have the capacity to test all of these imports. I'm just a lowly amateur living in the grey zone
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PedalBuilder
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Click "Remove Mark" for the Mark on PCB field. It's free and looks better. As a general matter, I always just go with the default options except for color (I like blue PCBs) and choosing "Remove Mark," and I've never had any issues.
vigilante398
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I've been shipping to Europe with zero changes to my process, packaging , or documentation. One customer (in Austria I think?) said the package was on hold and that customs was requesting a "declaration of compliance" before releasing it. I did a little reading and was able to put something together that they were satisfied with and they released the package. I don't think I've had any shipments returned or destroyed because of the new EU laws.
szukalski
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Anything you sell in EU needs to be lead free, so if you want to do it legit then make them lead free. Probably less of a concern if you're state side but if you were in the EU, then you'd need to be able to prove compliance if the matter rose.
Yup. Even harder when you want to have your own website for selling in the EU. Demon mode if said website is in Germany.
yazooligan
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Great stuff, folks. Thank you for sharing. After reaching out to several shops in my state that I thought did PCB fabrication I got several replies telling me they farm out their actual board-making but would be happy to quote me fully assembled boards. Since wiring everything myself is part of what I'm selling, it looks like JLCPCB for me. I'm going to go the lead-free route for now just in case someone overseas takes an interest in my little project. Thanks again for the great info!
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Stickman393
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Sounds like they're primarily interested in the big fish, then. Or rather, folks with consistent imports. Makes sense why chase bliss had to alter the way they did things a bit.
Doing a bit of reading...the official page makes it sound *really* in depth. BOM, drawings, compliance documents for each component...not entirely unlike UL listing, but it looks like they don't check your work as much.
Had some fun times with UL listing in previous years. Got couple of control panels from a manufacturer for a pair of 2 story house-sized air handlers that were UL listed, and engineered in such a way that dehumidification did not operate when enabled.
So...the manufacturer fucked up. They wouldn't admit to it: They claimed they had fully tested the units before they sent 'em out. Which I would have been more likely to believe if I didn't find entire sub-panels within the AHUs that were left unterminated. Airflow proving switches left capped and unconnected. You know. Basic stuff required for functionality.
I found the flaw in their electrical schematic; all it took was the addition of a normally closed set of contacts to fix the issue...but doing so would have voided the UL listing. Cause the schematic that was on file with UL did not have that set of contacts, and any deviation from the stated schematic is not allowed.
We then had to engage in the brain-splittingly idiotic discussion of wether a UL listing or a functioning unit was the more desirable outcome.
Talking through an electro-mechanical sequence of operations with folks that don't understand such concepts and are *really* invested in manifesting a working piece of equipment out of sheer bloody-minded stubornness is my favorite thing to do. Honestly.
Anywho...uhh...where was I...
vigilante398
Authorized Vendor
This sentence hurts me on a deep, meta-physical level because that is exactly how we operate at my job as well.
vigilante398
Authorized Vendor
Yup, I was open to leaving, but every alternative I found was more than a 175% increase in price while also being slower.
Robert
Reverse Engineer
I've found this to be the case with quite a few of the US-based PCB fabricators... PCB fabricated in China, component placement done in the USA.
I went through the hunt for a stateside fabricator years ago... I didn't even bother this time around.
moosapotamus
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Yeah, I know my time to build is increasing when, after I place an order for one project, in the time I have to wait I start 4 or 5 new projects!
Also, since we moved last year (stayed in the same state) JLCPCB is out for me. They decided that I am now in a remote location and tack on an additional ~$60 for delivery. So... no, I'm not paying over $80 for 5 PCBs. PCBCart, PCBWay, even OSHPark are all more affordable for me.
Also, since we moved last year (stayed in the same state) JLCPCB is out for me. They decided that I am now in a remote location and tack on an additional ~$60 for delivery. So... no, I'm not paying over $80 for 5 PCBs. PCBCart, PCBWay, even OSHPark are all more affordable for me.
Stickman393
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Fo sho. I just did two 5 board prototype runs and a bundle of 40 patented Don't Fuck Up My Wah (TM) daughter boards.
Paying about as much in shipping and tarriffs as in the boards.
Had to abandon another design cause, like, the PCBa cost was a bit much. Gonna do things the old fashioned way.
Paying about as much in shipping and tarriffs as in the boards.
Had to abandon another design cause, like, the PCBa cost was a bit much. Gonna do things the old fashioned way.
almondcity
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Ordered some small boards at OSH Park yesterday. $5 shipped. I guess their pricing is super dependent on board size
vigilante398
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That's literally the main thing their pricing is dependent on. They charge by the square inch.
