BuddytheReow
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Jlcpcb and tariffs
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Erik S
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Oh, nice. I had tried to find some clarification on when and for what countries, but all the articles I was finding just wanted to talk about retail from China.
I was focused on tomorrow as the day the big tariffs kick in, but I guess I missed that there might be a few extra weeks where under 800 could still be tariff free for goods from Thailand.
Who knows, if the Tayda site comes back up soon you might still get those in under the wire.
Erik S
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105% I think. Pretty sure the new 34 was on top of an existing 20 or 25
It's not that complex.
If your parts from China previously cost you $100 shipped, you now will be charged $100 by your vendor.
On import the US Gov will charge you a percentage the cost - so 34% tariffs mean your order goes up to $134 (plus normally an admin fee to whoever is collecting the tariff)
So if your business is running at say 50% mark up the cost of materials the cost to your customers goes from $200 to $268.
If the tariffs go up to 50% as the headline of BBC News suggest has been threatened that pedal goes up to $300....
You could soak up some of that raise, but you would expect tariffs on all imports to raise your cost of living at least in the short-medium term.
But this will effect everything in the market - so your pedal being $268 shouldn't be so bad as every other pedal will go up more - if anything fully Chinese made pedals will go up more...
So if you've got a good product, just price in the cost rises to your business model and it will be fine.
That's the non political version.
As Terry Pratchett wrote "There is a curse, may you live in interesting times" - it's all utter madness, as a set of billionaires set the world on fire in order to supposedly make more money, I really really really hope there's a plan that makes sense behind this crazy... 80 years of free trade that lifted half the world out of poverty... up in smoke...
jdduffield
Active member
I was going to ask what sites are USA-based where PCB printing is reasonably priced.
jdduffield
Active member
I agree. Tayda has been so wonderful. They don’t deserve this. I’m tempted to stick with them even though tariffs are high now.
jdduffield
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Tayda site is up again and looks great. Mobile friendly. They remodeled it.
CheapSuitG
The TubeSchemer
The look is great but think it needs some work still. The easy order section for 1% resistors has a little bit of everything in it. Like 5% and MLCC are in there.
Also looks like the price went from 1.5 to 2 cents each.
Also looks like the price went from 1.5 to 2 cents each.
jdduffield
Active member
I was wondering if prices were changed by on some stuff.
jdduffield
Active member
I was wondering if prices were changing on some of their products.
CheapSuitG
The TubeSchemer
Although poking around, enclosures look to be the same cost as well as Tayda pots are still the same.
jessenator
Well-known member
Hot diggity dang, I called it! (kinda)
www.taydaelectronics.com
Electronic Parts Online Store - Tayda Electronics
www.taydaelectronics.com
PedalBuilder
Well-known member
They’ve added faceplate engraving/cutting/printing, too.
PedalBuilder
Well-known member
The don’t have a US location as far as I can tell. Tayda used a freight forwarder that was based in Colorado as their economy shipping option until 2022ish, at which point they changed their shipping to the options that they currently offer.
Locrian99
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my understanding is the de minimus change only effects china and hong kong. As long as your tayda order is under 800$ the tariff changes should have no effect.
Again this my understanding and maybe some wishful thinking !
But what ive read is its on hold for china/hong kong until systens are in place. And other countries possibly after.
Again this my understanding and maybe some wishful thinking !
But what ive read is its on hold for china/hong kong until systens are in place. And other countries possibly after.
Bricksnbeatles
Member known well
Kinda funny that they show fender’s special anodized bent enclosures instead of any of the numerous fantastic ugly printed & powder coated enclosures they’ve done. I’m sure folks here would’ve let them
jdduffield
Active member
My order made it through customs today, apparently without a tariff. My total for the order was about $500.
guardian.tent1326
New member
Hey everyone, new to the forum. A lot of posts saying various things about who's affected by what. I'm going to summarise the situation so everyone is on the same page.
Tariffs are imposed on goods based on country of manufacture. So whilst Tayda is in Thailand, presumably a good chunk of their inventory is made in China. So going forward, it may become a case of carefully checking your order to ensure that you haven't picked anything produced in China. Remember that none of this matters for orders under $800 until May 2nd, when the de minimis exemption, for China & HK specifically, is ended.
As a motivating example, if you have a $100 order, but accidentally picked $0.50 worth of resistors that were made in China, then after May 2nd, that $0.50 is liable for import duties and tariffs upon entry into the US. The duties/tariffs themselves would total very little - for simplicity lets say they come to another $0.50. So your current order total is $100.50.
But because Tayda ships with UPS, UPS will charge a flat rate processing fee, which anecdotally is around $20-30. As far as I'm aware there's no courier that won't charge this fee (although the amount will vary slightly between them), except potentially USPS? Others may have better info.
So even though you're only liable for $0.50 worth of actual duties/tariffs, the fact that any part of your order had to be tariffed has incurred the massive (relative to total order) processing fee. The larger the order, the more this fee is amortized across the entire order value. I don't know this for certain, but it's definitely possible a $5000 order also incurs a $30 fee, at which point the $30 is a small fraction of the total order value rather than ~30%. Some on this forum may be able to speak to whether the processing fee on large order values is bigger or not.
Anyone who was making orders >$800 already will only see a difference in the import fees owed - they were already above the de minimis threshold anyway and so they were already incurring the processing fee and paying (lesser) duties/tariffs. That's why removal of de minimis only really affects the hobbyists or very nascent businesses; many businesses were already ordering enough to breach the threshold.
So if you're able to order all non-Chinese goods from Tayda (or else if Tayda lies about country of manufacture) going forward, you will, for the time being, be able to take advantage of de minimis, which will still be in place for everywhere except China & HK after May 2nd. However, Trump has said he intends to remove de minimis entirely - that is, once "systems are in place", you will not be able to import anything at all without incurring duties (even if tariffs are reduced to 0%).
As a final note, there are some things that were affordable to hobbyists only really by virtue of specific Chinese manufacturers. Thinking specifically of prototype-quantity custom PCBs a la JLCPCB or PCBWay. The removal of de minimis will mean that what might've been a ~$20 (inclusive of shipping) order for 5 PCBs will now become a ~$60 order, because of processing fees. It might begin to make OSH Park competitive, but OSH Park is around $8/pc min cost and PCBWay/JLCPCB could be as low as $1/pc, so even with fees they might be cheaper, just much more expensive than previously. It's a real shame.
I _don't_ know whether using the cheap shipping option (Global Standard/Direct Shipping) on JLC/PCBWay means they hand over to USPS at the border. If it does, you might be able to avoid the processing fees from a courier service, but remember, removal of de minimis for China means you still have to pay duties/tariffs, which soon might be more than 100% (given the rhetoric from the administration).
Conclusion
Tariffs are imposed on country of manufacture. De minimis for China & HK ends May 2 and may affect orders even though you made them with a non-Chinese supplier, because so much is manufactured in China. Import fees for a package are evaluated at the point it reaches the border, so even if you _order_ before May 2nd, if your package arrives at the border on or after that date, you'll have to pay fees. Up until May 2nd, if your order is less than $800, you shouldn't have to pay any fees.
The administration has expressed intent to remove de minimis for all countries. So even though it might be possible to order from Tayda without incurring fees after May 2nd, a few months from now that may not be the case.
Tariffs are imposed on goods based on country of manufacture. So whilst Tayda is in Thailand, presumably a good chunk of their inventory is made in China. So going forward, it may become a case of carefully checking your order to ensure that you haven't picked anything produced in China. Remember that none of this matters for orders under $800 until May 2nd, when the de minimis exemption, for China & HK specifically, is ended.
As a motivating example, if you have a $100 order, but accidentally picked $0.50 worth of resistors that were made in China, then after May 2nd, that $0.50 is liable for import duties and tariffs upon entry into the US. The duties/tariffs themselves would total very little - for simplicity lets say they come to another $0.50. So your current order total is $100.50.
But because Tayda ships with UPS, UPS will charge a flat rate processing fee, which anecdotally is around $20-30. As far as I'm aware there's no courier that won't charge this fee (although the amount will vary slightly between them), except potentially USPS? Others may have better info.
So even though you're only liable for $0.50 worth of actual duties/tariffs, the fact that any part of your order had to be tariffed has incurred the massive (relative to total order) processing fee. The larger the order, the more this fee is amortized across the entire order value. I don't know this for certain, but it's definitely possible a $5000 order also incurs a $30 fee, at which point the $30 is a small fraction of the total order value rather than ~30%. Some on this forum may be able to speak to whether the processing fee on large order values is bigger or not.
Anyone who was making orders >$800 already will only see a difference in the import fees owed - they were already above the de minimis threshold anyway and so they were already incurring the processing fee and paying (lesser) duties/tariffs. That's why removal of de minimis only really affects the hobbyists or very nascent businesses; many businesses were already ordering enough to breach the threshold.
So if you're able to order all non-Chinese goods from Tayda (or else if Tayda lies about country of manufacture) going forward, you will, for the time being, be able to take advantage of de minimis, which will still be in place for everywhere except China & HK after May 2nd. However, Trump has said he intends to remove de minimis entirely - that is, once "systems are in place", you will not be able to import anything at all without incurring duties (even if tariffs are reduced to 0%).
As a final note, there are some things that were affordable to hobbyists only really by virtue of specific Chinese manufacturers. Thinking specifically of prototype-quantity custom PCBs a la JLCPCB or PCBWay. The removal of de minimis will mean that what might've been a ~$20 (inclusive of shipping) order for 5 PCBs will now become a ~$60 order, because of processing fees. It might begin to make OSH Park competitive, but OSH Park is around $8/pc min cost and PCBWay/JLCPCB could be as low as $1/pc, so even with fees they might be cheaper, just much more expensive than previously. It's a real shame.
I _don't_ know whether using the cheap shipping option (Global Standard/Direct Shipping) on JLC/PCBWay means they hand over to USPS at the border. If it does, you might be able to avoid the processing fees from a courier service, but remember, removal of de minimis for China means you still have to pay duties/tariffs, which soon might be more than 100% (given the rhetoric from the administration).
Conclusion
Tariffs are imposed on country of manufacture. De minimis for China & HK ends May 2 and may affect orders even though you made them with a non-Chinese supplier, because so much is manufactured in China. Import fees for a package are evaluated at the point it reaches the border, so even if you _order_ before May 2nd, if your package arrives at the border on or after that date, you'll have to pay fees. Up until May 2nd, if your order is less than $800, you shouldn't have to pay any fees.
The administration has expressed intent to remove de minimis for all countries. So even though it might be possible to order from Tayda without incurring fees after May 2nd, a few months from now that may not be the case.
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